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Post by chris on Dec 5, 2018 8:33:44 GMT
I'm willing to bet if Caldwell is involved so are lyndsay Hamilton and Craig downs
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 9:01:35 GMT
I'm willing to bet if Caldwell is involved so are lyndsay Hamilton and Craig downs 1/50 at McBookie Chris , buying money
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Post by stewmelrover on Dec 5, 2018 9:51:36 GMT
Perhaps the 'consortium' (ha ha) will have a big spread in the Advertiser explaining themselves to the Coatbridge public? Surely they will want to tell us about the bright future for Rovers they envisage?
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Post by Rovergrant on Dec 5, 2018 10:37:30 GMT
Bright future???......survival is the best anyone can hope for....oblivion under the current regime...?
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Post by thelaird70 on Dec 5, 2018 11:18:44 GMT
I stood down from my post as General Manager 11 years ago and at that time it was becoming increasingly difficult to obtain a Safety Certificate for the Stadium due to the amount of work required to bring it up to scratch. Whilst some improvements have been made over the years anyone with half an eye can see that our Stadium has a very limited lifespan. Consequently some very difficult decisions will be required. Speculation is rife about a takeover by a "consortium" of yet unknown individuals and in my opinion if this is true, irrespective of who they are, if they have a viable plan to save the Club and move it forward then good luck to them because the present incumbents do not seem capable of doing so. If at some time in the future this means the sale of the ground for the Club to retain it's League status then so be it and some supporters will need to take a reality check if they want Albion Rovers F.C. as we know it to remain. As for the "consortium", anyone involving themselves in a 2nd Division Club is not doing so for financial gain as they will never make a brown penny by coming on board so let's wait and see.
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Post by rab on Dec 5, 2018 11:39:50 GMT
[quote author=" chris " source="/post/14180/thread" timestamp="154 Not suggesting that for one minute but one thing that we could do and it won't be the worst thing that happens is to groundsahre with Airdrie in the event of the inevitable fall to the LL. It may be unpopular and what I'm about to say is in no way at dig at our groundsman and many volunteers but our stadium and our pitch has a he'll of a lot to do with our situation, another bad winter and we are finished as a club. Complete and utter trash. Rovers own their ground - Airdrie don't own theirs and pay a fortune in rent. Not the worst thing that could happen? It would ABSOLUTELY be the worst thing that could happen. We will survive dropping to the Lowland League (provided we pay off the debt and live within our budget) but would not survive losing Cliftonhill and moving to Airdrie. People who suddenly appear on message boards posting stuff like this without revealing who they are have no credibility.
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Post by rab on Dec 5, 2018 11:44:55 GMT
If at some time in the future this means the sale of the ground for the Club to retain it's League status then so be it and some supporters will need to take a reality check if they want Albion Rovers F.C. as we know it to remain. As for the "consortium", anyone involving themselves in a 2nd Division Club is not doing so for financial gain as they will never make a brown penny by coming on board so let's wait and see. We would be better off in the Lowland League in our own ground compared with being in League 2 and playing somewhere else. Once the money ran out from any sale of Cliftonhill, we would no longer be able to pay the rent and would be bust. As for any consortium coming in - be careful what you wish for. And beware of asset-strippers!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 14:21:51 GMT
If at some time in the future this means the sale of the ground for the Club to retain it's League status then so be it and some supporters will need to take a reality check if they want Albion Rovers F.C. as we know it to remain. As for the "consortium", anyone involving themselves in a 2nd Division Club is not doing so for financial gain as they will never make a brown penny by coming on board so let's wait and see. We would be better off in the Lowland League in our own ground compared with being in League 2 and playing somewhere else. Once the money ran out from any sale of Cliftonhill, we would no longer be able to pay the rent and would be bust. As for any consortium coming in - be careful what you wish for. And beware of asset-strippers! Correct Rab, However I’m not so sure of asset strippers as they would be on the board from what I’m hearing not owning the club & ground. That’s still the shareholders who hold the keys to that
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Post by Rovergrant on Dec 5, 2018 14:38:15 GMT
The ground, yes it is an `asset` ...but our biggest asset is our SPFL status...and as things stand that is slipping away..... Correct though the club is owned by the shareholders. Of course the bank holds a charge over the ground guaranteeing overdrafts, loans etc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 14:57:44 GMT
The ground, yes it is an `asset` ...but our biggest asset is our SPFL status...and as things stand that is slipping away..... Correct though the club is owned by the shareholders. Of course the bank holds a charge over the ground guaranteeing overdrafts, loans etc. But what Rab says is correct, Airdrie died after losing ground, Look how long Clyde & East Stirling have been a shambles with not owning ground. I think SPFL status is possibly our biggest asset but the club could exist, if sell ground that’s when money will start disappearing and we’ll be bust. Having said all that we couldn’t possibly sell the ground and agree groundshare before January window so what has that got to do with anything in regards to SPFL status.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 15:11:50 GMT
Grant you’re always slaughtering current board, which I mostly agree with. The easiest thing to do is tell everyone what people are doing wrong, However you never tell us what you would do to sort the club. Can you enlighten us?
Also you’re always close to the bandwagons , who is the consortium made up of & what is their grand plan and what makes you think they’re capable of pulling it off
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Post by Rovergrant on Dec 5, 2018 15:45:08 GMT
The only possible `plan` anyone could/should have at the moment is SPFL survival. After that is resolved (one way or another) then real plans can be made - what league ARFC are in determines income streams which governs everything. Where do you get the idea that selling the ground/groundsharing is on the agenda...last thing I want to see happen...too many happy (and sad) days at the old place.
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Post by rab on Dec 5, 2018 17:12:57 GMT
Where do you get the idea that selling the ground/groundsharing is on the agenda... Timewilltell (suspiciously anonymous poster) and Laird ('If at some time in the future this means the sale of the ground for the Club to retain it's [sic] League status then so be it....' have raised it on this thread - and you have also raised it recently Grant. There is a way back from losing league status - a difficult one, certainly. But, for a small club, there is no way back from losing ownership of the ground.
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Post by Rovergrant on Dec 5, 2018 17:27:55 GMT
My fear, Rab, is losing the ground would be FORCED on the club if they lose SPFL status and all the financial implications that will bring - much of the money that keeps the club going on a day to day basis is via the SPFL cash that goes to all clubs. Remember it was only a few years back that if it had not been for Terry Gillooly and several others making significant alterations to the main stadium building a prohibition notice would have been slapped on the ground. That cost a lot of money...would we have cash if something similar was called for again ? Do you think the club`s main banker (RBS) would loan money for that purpose...or heaven forbid another Shawbrook loan. Legislation is always changing which could prove problematical with respect to ground licensing in the future. As to ` `suspiciously anonymous poster`....95% of those who post on here are `anonymous`...look at the recent vitriol being poured` anonymously` on certain named individuals by a former director. Keep in touch, Grant
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Post by rab on Dec 5, 2018 17:59:38 GMT
In terms of SPFL status, we are in this position due to mistakes having been made by different people over several years (as Bucky recently pointed out). We now have a new manager who shows signs of making a positive mark on the team, and presumably we will stick with him until the end of the season at least. Whether we stay in the SPFL is now down to him and the team, although he has certainly been given a challenging task.
Off the field, there has been a lot of criticism of the BOD much of it legitimate. However, too many people seem more comfortable pointing the blame without offering realistic solutions - and you (Grant) are one of the worst offenders for that. If you have in fact offered any great solution, then I have missed it.
Me (and others) have made clear through various channels that we are prepared to put in some money in return for NEW shares - and all we get is 'oooh, this is all too difficult'. It isn't. It's just that some existing shareholders don't want it to happen (so they are putting their own self interest above the benefit to the club/company - that's not what shareholders are supposed to do). This is by no means the only answer, but a bit more focus on what can be done, rather than what can't, would be welcome.
PS - It doesn't matter who they are - anonymous posters have no credibility. Timewilltell should put up, or shut up.
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