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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 21:27:55 GMT
There's definitely a warning shot for Rovers there. Betwick similarly went for Directors all connected with their supporters Trust . Best post I have seen all year. However, they are great guys doing their best etc. etc.
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Post by bucky on May 12, 2019 7:31:49 GMT
There's definitely a warning shot for Rovers there. Betwick similarly went for Directors all connected with their supporters Trust . Best post I have seen all year. However, they are great guys doing their best etc. etc. According to my Berwick supporting work colleague the Directors cannot agree from one week to the other and it's based on I'm a better supporter than you. I'm not against Trust members being on the Board it's just a Board can lose it's balance. The model of purely business men has failed for Rovers also. Four matches against the Old Firm in 4 years and the club takes out an emergency £90k loan where you get better terms from a Glesga loan shark. Something's missing.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 7:40:19 GMT
Bang on. A board full of business egos or football egos isn't healthy either. You do need a balance. There is no perfect ratio either it all depends on the skills round the table whether you're a business, football, supporter, trust or just plain Joe blogs punter.
I do hope there is some change soon as Cove look as if they mean business and with (probably and sadly) no Berwick next year there is a vacant 10th spot.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 8:06:03 GMT
To make your point Bucky. A third of the way down see what Sean Dyche says to the board. Different scale re EPL money and our Cup money but same point. trainingground.guru/articles/behind-the-scenes-at-burnleys-academySean makes a great point around the bigger picture and brighter future. And whilst I'm on one, Fraser Wishart was banging on about the lack of youth development and the madness of clubs letting go of and signing on 15-20 players each season and sometimes that amount twice per season. Unsustainable. I would like to see what the brighter future is for the Rovers as if the Cove result isn't an awakening then I dont know what is. And it's only May!!! The football world has been changing for over a decade. Adapt or die.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 16:25:40 GMT
Cannot see a Liverpool/Tottenham come back here - it may be difficult to route a pathway back to senior football for Berwick in this present climate. Could very well be a long way back to the SPFL. East Stirlingshire were arguably not as bad as Berwick seem to be when they went down and three years later they are mid table in the Lowland League. But just to be clear, the Lowland League is a senior league, same as the Highland League always has been.
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Post by Aldo on May 12, 2019 16:33:51 GMT
Went to this game today, Cove strolled to victory, Berwick were terrible with probably only 1 decent chance all game. It was 4-0 but there wouldn't have been any complaints had it been 7 or 8-0. Cove looked a very decent team and I think we have definitely dodged a massive bullet with this game. So it looks like we'll be going to the Balmoral Stadium next season. Terrible location for a ground by the way in the middle of an industrial estate. Didn't have a pie so can't comment on them so there is still a chance they might be the best thing about the place. Aldo does it have a social club as good as Berwick's? How far from your remote gaff? Peter It's 30 mins from my work and about 1 hour away from my but and ben up in the hills. Not sure if it has a Social Club, but heard a mention of a 'Fan Zone' whatever that may be. We just went straight in to the ground yesterday as it was nearing kick-off and there were queues at the turnstiles so didn't have a look about the place. I saw folk walking about with pints in plastic glasses so there must be something close by. I think I was just a bit pi$$ed off with how little fight Berwick put up given they were fighting for their place in the league, if Rovers turned in a performance like that yesterday we all would've been saying it was an utter disgrace, so perhaps I was slightly harsh saying that the ground is in an terrible location. On reflection it's not the best but it isn't that bad. I would probably liken it to the same sort of location to that of Stirling Albion. Quite a distance from the town centre but easy for visiting fans to get to by car (with the new Aberdeen bypass it really is easier and quicker), in an industrial estate, but also with commercial premises close by. There are actually a couple of pubs close to Cove's ground - The Wellington Pub Bar & Grill and Langdykes Bar, both a 10 minute walk to the ground. I have not frequented either so can't comment on them. I was reminded by someone that once Aberdeen's new ground is completed, Cove will actually be a good bit closer to the town centre than Aberdeen's (and that is saying something!) so it may be the case they may get a few extra punters heading for them rather than 'New Pittodrie'. They will definitely be a team to watch out for and there is no doubting they will fancy their chances in League 2 next season (yup I know, the play-off tie is not complete yet though). Rovers really do need to take note for planning for next season. We must improve, there is not going to be a 'Great Escape Part II' next season, infact being in that position once is bad enough, I don't want to have to go through a season like that ever again.
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on May 13, 2019 16:00:41 GMT
The fanzone was just a bar come cafe situated at the far left of the stand and accessed from outside the ground. It was a fair size and held a large number of folk although Chuckles who was the only one of our number to partake complained about the price of a pint and sausage roll (£5.50 I think he said). Certainly the pie stall inside the ground wasn't cheap, £2.50 for a pie, they did sell plastic bottles of soft drinks for £1.50 although they'll not be allowed to do that if they're in the SPFL.
I have to agree it could easily have ended 7 or 8 for Cove but I'm sure 4 will suffice! Their car park is a reasonable size but filled quickly on Saturday but that was likely to be a much larger crowd than they'd get in league 2 on an average Saturday. Their small stand (£2 extra) looked ok but I suspect even a light breeze combined with rain and most of its inhabitants would get wet. They have 3 little covered parts on the edge of the park, 2 for standing and 1 seated. The rest of the area surrounding the park is on the level and is compacted material rather than asphalt/tarmac.
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Post by bucky on May 13, 2019 17:32:14 GMT
The fanzone was just a bar come cafe situated at the far left of the stand and accessed from outside the ground. It was a fair size and held a large number of folk although Chuckles who was the only one of our number to partake complained about the price of a pint and sausage roll (£5.50 I think he said). Certainly the pie stall inside the ground wasn't cheap, £2.50 for a pie, they did sell plastic bottles of soft drinks for £1.50 although they'll not be allowed to do that if they're in the SPFL. I have to agree it could easily have ended 7 or 8 for Cove but I'm sure 4 will suffice! Their car park is a reasonable size but filled quickly on Saturday but that was likely to be a much larger crowd than they'd get in league 2 on an average Saturday. Their small stand (£2 extra) looked ok but I suspect even a light breeze combined with rain and most of its inhabitants would get wet. They have 3 little covered parts on the edge of the park, 2 for standing and 1 seated. The rest of the area surrounding the park is on the level and is compacted material rather than asphalt/tarmac. To sum up in one word "souless".
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on May 13, 2019 19:01:32 GMT
Yup Bucky, pretty much!
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Post by rab on May 14, 2019 23:38:47 GMT
These guys had plans..... Really? What exactly were these plans then, as nothing seems to have been made public. When I tried to find out, the response I got was meaningless waffle. You talk about the business experience these people have, but what about leadership? Leadership is about being able to take people with you, and they (and you as their mouthpiece) have failed miserably to bring supporters and shareholders alongside. So it's back to the drawing board guys - maybe try to construct a better game plan next time, if there is a next time. Maybe take on board the fact that that telling people there are saviours in waiting, but keeping their names and plans secret, is never a good look. Neither is talking up the prospects of changes at the AGM but failing to follow through, leaving the much criticised Board to be unanimously re-elected by the shareholders. But you are right that if their reputations are taking a battering (and this is before they have even got on to the Board) then it is best for everyone if they don't pursue matters any further.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 6:03:58 GMT
Some great points Rab and the potential "saviours in waiting" so to speak will have their reasons for their approach. I dont think it was meant as a coup as it was back in the day when several Rovers fans were leading the charge against selling the ground, and rightly so.
Over this season there have been a lot of ideas and suggestions, from yourself, and others. From where I am sitting, not one has been taken up or explored. Not one poster has came on and said, the club have been in touch because I posted an idea and they want to take it further. Not one.
Remember Bob who was trying to get underneath matchday experience? Where did he go? He sounded as if he knew what he was talking about. He has actually disappeared.
I recall Target 500. You point out that the "saviours in waiting" lacked the detail about plans. What about some details from the Club in terms of their own initiatives? Target 500. What's the detail and how can we help. No plan or paper was published. Put simply, hows the initiative getting on?
What are the list of initiatives from the BoD to improve the club? What are the details and where is the opportunity for the fans to get involved or feedback? You talk about leadership, and again great point, then where is the leadership from the BoD?
Whether the BoD like it or not they are there to steer the club. They all wanted to be voted back in and they got their wish. Over to them. Show some leadership. If the BoD think their day job is to put a team on the field and get to the end of the season and that's it, then sadly they are mistaken.
There is a ton of energy on this board and tons of ideas. Yes, some may not have worked the last time but that's not to say it wont work now. Bucky has made some great points about previous experiences with Directors but as not all businessmen are saviours, they are not all bad either. There is an imbalance in the Board. A personality from the world of football is also missing. Someone with connections and network. We may not be as lucky as a Sandy Jardine on the BoD but we can sure as hell get someone.
In terms of people lacking leadership because they wont publish details of plans etc. That's more likely because they cant. I've suggested a number of ideas on here but have to stop short at the how. I'm never naming any contact or business on a (un)official messageboard or local newspaper. Can you imagine the telephone conversation? "Hi chief exec of XYZ. Albion Rovers here. Prorege has posted your details on our (un)official noticeboard and I hear you can give me £10,000." Not going to happen.
Similarly, because I can hear the keyboards tapping, am I going to pick up the phone and give out details of the areas the BoD can tap into? At this moment in time, absolutely not. I can hear my phone ringing now. "Hi Martin. Albion Rovers have been in touch as you said they would. We spoke about the £10,000 I need to invest in a community somewhere. I had to refuse. They were very nice but lacked the details. I've no idea what they are going to do with the money, there was no plan no milestones and most of all I have no idea what my company is getting out of this. Ps, dont introduce me to someone like that again".
So, there you have it rab. The real leadership issue lies with the board. Wheres the direction? Where's the club going? Where's the details in their own initiatives. Indeed, what are the initiatives?
So whilst I enjoy the jousting enough is enough. Let the BoD organise a fans forum whereby they can present the details of the initiatives that will take the club forward. Maybe then we could've sent Josh off into the sunset with a gift, round of applause and a big thank you for his hard work for the past 2 years and be introduced to the new U19s Coach instead of debating (arguing) amongst ourselves how the setup should look like. Similarly we could've sent off Andy Tallan, thanked him for the past 2 years with all his hard work and helping the club achieve their Licence. Instead of a terse one liner on an (un)official messageboard.
Maybe then we can all meet each other face to face and have some grown up conversation. Gives me a real opportunity to hang out of other peoples' a**es other than the one I'm currently hanging out of 😉. I'm specifically still interested in getting more people on board with shares. You've done it at Cambridge.
Let's hear what the leaders of the club have to say.
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Post by harriskid44 on May 18, 2019 14:56:34 GMT
Berwick are 1-0 down to cove, cove winning 5-0 on agg.
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Post by jaydee on May 18, 2019 15:05:43 GMT
2-0 Cove now.
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Post by harriskid44 on May 18, 2019 15:07:27 GMT
Hard luck on Berwick.
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Post by harriskid44 on May 18, 2019 15:53:42 GMT
So going to be playing cove Rangers in the new season.
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