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Post by Nanook on Jun 21, 2019 15:27:54 GMT
I think our badge is pretty good.
What does it signify?
Where did it come from? Anyone know the designer? I know I spoke to someone at some point who said that they were aware of the designer. Were the then BOD involved in the design?
Was the badge in use with the blue strip? In The Boys from the Brig, page 242 is a 57/58 team photo in blue strip, there is no obvious badge.
The book front cover shows action from the first yellow strip match, ARFC v East Stirling, 12/08/61, 5-2 victory over 10 men, the badge can be seen on the strip, page 257 there is a yellow team photo with badge on strip. There are no team photos between 58 and 61.
Any information gratefully received.
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Post by bucky on Jun 21, 2019 17:51:22 GMT
Was it Tam Fagan's older son (David?) who was responsible for it. I'm not 100% on that.
The rose signifies the rose of Albion and the pirate cutlasses signify the Rovers. I think it was introduced as part of the colour change to red and primrose.
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Post by sam on Jun 21, 2019 17:59:47 GMT
Brian,
Think this has been discussed before. Seem to remember it was designed by one of of Tommy’s sons (David possibly)
I also think the badge is along the lines that the cutlasses are to represent the rovers (or pirates) and as Albion is the poetic name for England hence the rose. It’s what I was told years ago and no one has ever said It was wrong
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Post by Rovergrant on Jun 21, 2019 18:34:57 GMT
Agree with what both Bucky and Sam have said.
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Post by Nanook on Jun 21, 2019 19:11:20 GMT
Had not heard the (David) Fagan connection before.
Had heard cutlasses and pirates, and English rose before.
Sam, 'perfidious albion' is an old term in diplomatic circles for 'treacherous England', say one thing, do another.
Still think there is another badge story out there.
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Post by tommysermanni on Jun 22, 2019 6:44:53 GMT
Bucky=Agreed.
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Post by sam on Jun 22, 2019 8:27:19 GMT
Had not heard the (David) Fagan connection before. Had heard cutlasses and pirates, and English rose before. Sam, 'perfidious albion' is an old term in diplomatic circles for 'treacherous England', say one thing, do another. Still think there is another badge story out there. Brian we are not called Perfidious Albion Rovers. hence I only mentioned what I had been told what the word Albion meant. |
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Post by Rovergrant on Jun 22, 2019 9:08:10 GMT
Albion is an alternative name for the island of Great Britain. It is sometimes used poetically to refer to the island, but has fallen out of common use in English. The name for Scotland in most of the Celtic languages is related to Albion: Alba in Scottish Gaelic, Albain (genitive Alban) in Irish, Nalbin in Manx and Alban in Welsh and Cornish.
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Post by teekasule on Jun 22, 2019 11:21:13 GMT
remember meeting the printer who actually made the logo up. It was on a night out so cant remember their name but pretty sure the company was in Cambuslang.  sure it wouldn't take you long to call every printer up in Cambuslang !  LOL. |
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Post by Rovergrant on Jun 22, 2019 11:58:49 GMT
Hmm..........when the programme restarted in 1970 we had to have a plate made with the badge for running off the cover sheets - the inside was typed on a `skin` then copied using a Gestetner machine (who remembers them ?). That plate was made by the printers Williamson of Sunnyside Road. George Melville`s wife Netta did the typing .
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Post by bucky on Jun 22, 2019 12:43:46 GMT
Had not heard the (David) Fagan connection before. Had heard cutlasses and pirates, and English rose before. Sam, 'perfidious albion' is an old term in diplomatic circles for 'treacherous England', say one thing, do another. Still think there is another badge story out there. Good luck finding it Brian |
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Post by chris on Jun 22, 2019 16:53:53 GMT
Brian, Think this has been discussed before. Seem to remember it was designed by one of of Tommy’s sons (David possibly) I also think the badge is along the lines that the cutlasses are to represent the rovers (or pirates) and as Albion is the poetic name for England hence the rose. It’s what I was told years ago and no one has ever said It was wrong That's the story I know, the rose being over the cutlass representing the 2 teams coming together to be one |
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Post by Nanook on Jun 22, 2019 20:34:31 GMT
Donnie emailed to say that Peter Lochran at college was told by his lecturer that he, the lecturer, had designed the badge.
If anyone sees Peter, don't think he comes on here, can you ask him if he can remember the designer's name, his address, home or work, whether the guy is still around?
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Post by Nanook on Jun 25, 2019 17:34:13 GMT
Peter got back to me. He said as follows.
Stephen Henry designed the badge using the rose for Albion and crossed swords/cutlass to represent raiders/pirates/warriors.
Peter was a student of his at the School of Building in Cambuslang in the 60's. He saw Peter's folder and asked if Peter was an Albion Rovers fan. He then told Peter the story behind the badge. Peter thought Tom Fagan approached Stephen.
The Advertiser ran a feature at the time which I am searching for.
Peter last heard of Stephen living in one of the West End tower blocks. Peter thinks he was involved in heraldic work in churches, chapels and civic buildings etc. He was also involved in sign writing. Stephen would be in his 80s, possibly 90s, or he might no longer be with us. If he is still around it would be good to chat to a person who has a hand in Rovers history.
Any one aware of this Stephen Henry?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 21:59:43 GMT
Knew Stephen well as he did a lot of the signwriting at summerlee heritage park in the late 80s and into the 90s. He also stayed in the same flats as us in Blairgrove court. He sadly passed away a number of years ago. Smashing guy. Didn't know he designed the badge but a nice legacy to leave behind.
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LOL.