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Post by marmiteman on May 11, 2020 20:20:14 GMT
All the more reason why an independent investigation will clear the air and rid us of the special action, claims and counter claims.
I feel there are many more skeletons in the cupboards.
I'm getting bored with this now Chris😎
ARFC make sure our vote counts.
Peter
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Post by chris on May 11, 2020 20:27:46 GMT
Do you agree then that if there was an investigation and nothing was found
any club who said there was a need should be fined and docked 15 points for bringing the game into disrepute
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Post by chris on May 11, 2020 20:29:26 GMT
Also remember it would have to be funded, this money would be taken from the prize pot for next season
And remember an independent investigation already looked at all Phone records E-mails Text messages WhatsApp
And found nothing
Nothing
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 20:36:23 GMT
Rangers said they would pay for the investigation so incorrect on that front. And though this is tedious what do Aberdeen have to gain from backing it? There are no saints in this mess and certainly none in those that run our game (into the ground). Thorough independent investigation with no punishment for the whistleblowers. You don't punish people who try to get the truth, you applaude them for sticking their head above the parapet. Whoever they are.
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Post by rab on May 11, 2020 22:42:29 GMT
It stinks to the core and ARFC should be voting for an independent investigation along with other clubs tomorrow. I for one as a shareholder in the club would expect nothing less. We need the truth to come out. As a shareholder, I say we should vote against. All of the clubs wanting yet another investigation are self-serving. I'm not particularly criticising them for trying to look after their own interests, but it should be seen for what it is. If ARFC votes in its own self-interest, it will vote against - because there's nothing to be gained and much more to be lost by prolonging this charade, and it wouldn't be sensible to p*** off the majority of clubs who will be voting against anyway.
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Post by chris on May 11, 2020 23:24:22 GMT
Rangers said they would pay for the investigation so incorrect on that front. And though this is tedious what do Aberdeen have to gain from backing it? There are no saints in this mess and certainly none in those that run our game (into the ground). Thorough independent investigation with no punishment for the whistleblowers. You don't punish people who try to get the truth, you applaude them for sticking their head above the parapet. Whoever they are. They will not, they announced yesterday they need £10 million as they have a massive deficit, Peter mentioned teams like hearts taking legal action v spfl any money spfl required to defend this in court, or indeed had to pay out, would need to come from the prize pot for next season
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 7:45:59 GMT
Rangers said they would. Most clubs of their size run deficits based on assets at some point. If it was a problem the banks would soon let them know. I don't condone legal action but an independent enquiry would hopefully get to the truth. Let's move on. I just want the football and the rest of my life back.
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Post by jimjam on May 12, 2020 10:38:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 10:59:30 GMT
I'm sure someone will be able to come up with an agenda for stenny although no mention of one for Aberdeen yet!
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on May 17, 2020 14:05:38 GMT
Ann "absolutely anything to stop Hearts being relegated" Budge has a new ploy apparently backed by the Premier teams. We don't know what it is but is rumoured to be either 14-10-10-10 or 14-14-14.
It's said to be temporary which is an admission, if we needed one that it's all about Hearts! Presumably the 14-10-10-10 would see Kelty & Brora in the league and in a year or 2 several relegated from the league to get back to the 42 set-up.
As the league 2 teams said a few weeks ago only a 14-14-14 set-up was acceptable but others said no and they certainly wouldn't like the prospect of several teams losing their league status down the line I can't see it happening.
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on May 26, 2020 17:43:51 GMT
Apparently Hearts' SPFL reconstruction plan in full - based on 14-14-14 for TWO years
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 19:48:50 GMT
2 years eh! Better add a year on to try and con people into believing it's not about keeping her own club up. Dominic Cumming would be proud of that piece of spin. All for change but long term not a short term self interest con. On yer bike, Hearts.
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on May 27, 2020 2:31:48 GMT
From the BBC:
Hearts owner Ann Budge has submitted a reconstruction proposal to the SPFL board for three leagues of 14 for the next two seasons.
The document has been circulated to all 42 member clubs and the SPFL board will meet on Wednesday to discuss it.
Budge's plan involves the Premiership splitting after two rounds of fixtures into a top six and bottom eight.
Hearts, relegated when the top flight was curtailed, would avoid demotion if the proposal passed.
The Tynecastle club and Inverness Caledonian Thistle would make up the expanded Premiership.
Hearts have no relegation ruin fears Hearts becoming 'laughing stock' Hearts eye legal action after relegation Championship side Partick Thistle and League One Stranraer were also relegated in the current 12-12-12-10 format when the season was ended by the SPFL amid the coronavirus crisis.
Thistle would retain Championship status, with Stranraer playing in the third tier.
The Hearts owner insists the proposal is "a better way for Scottish football to deal with the current emergency, while at the same time righting an unintended injustice".
Budge also suggests a 14-14-16 structure could be implemented if clubs voted to include Lowland League champions Kelty Hearts and Highland counterparts Brora Rangers.
Aberdeen chairman Dave Cormack is "supportive in principle" of Budge's plan given that it is for temporary reconstruction. He said: "For the survival of Scottish football, I hope every club feels they can get behind this approach."
For the proposal to pass, it would require 11 of the 12 Premiership clubs to vote in favour, as well as eight of 10 in the Championship and 15 of 20 in the bottom two tiers.
Fixture imbalance, potential Euro play-off & testing help
Adding two teams to the top flight would require a change to the distribution of prize money model, but Budge says this would be offset by Premiership clubs not having to finance the £300,000 parachute payment that Hearts would be due on relegation.
There is also scope for a play-off involving teams in fifth, sixth and seventh to determine a European place and address concerns about potentially meaningless fixtures.
The Premiership split would create an imbalance, with top-six teams playing a 36-game season and bottom-eight teams having 40 matches. Budge says the guarantee of an extra home game in the bottom eight allows clubs to make up the loss of income from potentially missing out on a visit from Celtic or Rangers.
The second and third tier can decide the nature of their split.
Budge cited a "growing acceptance" that some clubs may not be able to play at all next season, with lower-league teams fearing the financial consequences of games behind closed doors.
She pledged to share Covid-19 testing facilities and resources with clubs across the divisions to help cover the costs of enabling players to return to training and playing matches.
And she says the "flexibility" of her proposal allows "each division to decide what is best for them".
She added: "This is not about permanent reconstruction. It is about finding a path to deal with the emergency situation, which is likely to impact all member clubs for the next two seasons."
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Post by stewmelrover on May 27, 2020 5:20:56 GMT
That's an awful lot of words just to say 'Hearts don't get relegated'...
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Post by tommysermanni on May 27, 2020 7:24:31 GMT
Hearts being stuck at the foot of the SPL is the fault of no one but Heart Of Midlothian F.C and Anne Budge and her catastrophic appointment of Craig Leven were a major factor in this.
I feel for Hearts but they are such a poorly managed car crash a that season or two in the Championship might help them regroup and come back stronger.
Let's be clear though that for all her talk about this being for the benefit of Scottish football she really means for the benefit of Hearts.
I have no problem with league reconstruction but it has to be done on a stronger premise than just saving one team from relegation.
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