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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 15:41:53 GMT
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Post by bucky on Oct 4, 2020 6:08:57 GMT
They come out with this now after holding a meeting with match official and leader of Scotland’s most right wing scumbag political party. Geeaz peace.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 8:10:20 GMT
Not the best of bedfellows but think there is some truth in it regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 8:19:35 GMT
It was a good discussion and I'm not a fan of Doncaster but he was bang on in my opinion.
You can go to a pub, restaurant , shopping centre or cinema but you can't watch football outside? The decision is clearly not driven by the science as there are far more people attending shopping centres than would turn up at the majority of Scottish clubs even before the pandemic. Allowing a small number of supporters in is perfectly safe and is vital to keep clubs alive. Though in England lower tier clubs are already in and you also had the ridiculous situation of yesterday's Chelsea game being shown in a cinema!
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Post by bucky on Oct 4, 2020 8:41:10 GMT
It was a good discussion and I'm not a fan of Doncaster but he was bang on in my opinion. You can go to a pub, restaurant , shopping centre or cinema but you can't watch football outside? The decision is clearly not driven by the science as there are far more people attending shopping centres than would turn up at the majority of Scottish clubs even before the pandemic. Allowing a small number of supporters in is perfectly safe and is vital to keep clubs alive. Though in England lower tier clubs are already in and you also had the ridiculous situation of yesterday's Chelsea game being shown in a cinema! The argument is based on everything being opened back up. If that’s the case I want gigs back on asap. With cases of infection, admittance to ICU’s and more deaths does anyone think that’s a good move. Another issue which everyone is burying their heads in the sand is player safety. East Stirling (who don’t test) and Killie (who do test) are both in isolation. An absolute can of worms for lower league clubs. Let’s hope players in the lower leagues have sympathetic employers.
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Post by bucky on Oct 4, 2020 8:42:28 GMT
Not the best of bedfellows but think there is some truth in it regardless. Do you think it suits the Scottish Government to kybosh football? I am really struggling to see the argument behind that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 9:30:08 GMT
It was a good discussion and I'm not a fan of Doncaster but he was bang on in my opinion. You can go to a pub, restaurant , shopping centre or cinema but you can't watch football outside? The decision is clearly not driven by the science as there are far more people attending shopping centres than would turn up at the majority of Scottish clubs even before the pandemic. Allowing a small number of supporters in is perfectly safe and is vital to keep clubs alive. Though in England lower tier clubs are already in and you also had the ridiculous situation of yesterday's Chelsea game being shown in a cinema! The argument is based on everything being opened back up. If that’s the case I want gigs back on asap. With cases of infection, admittance to ICU’s and more deaths does anyone think that’s a good move. Another issue which everyone is burying their heads in the sand is player safety. East Stirling (who don’t test) and Killie (who do test) are both in isolation. An absolute can of worms for lower league clubs. Let’s hope players in the lower leagues have sympathetic employers. I get that everyone wants their particular event, sport or hobby opened back up, and I also desperately want gigs back on given I have missed several. Where I am struggling is many indoor sites are deemed safe to open but outdoor spectating is not. No one has given the science to back this decision and that's what we are continually being told what drives the policies. The only conclusion can be that there are other reasons. The trial events were a success and yet no progress. Football and Rugby were put in a position to prove that they could operate safely and did so. What other events were forced to trial prior to opening, pubs ? restaurants? cinemas? shopping centres? If the government wants to keep clubs alive then they either need to fund them or open the gates.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 9:54:34 GMT
Not the best of bedfellows but think there is some truth in it regardless. Do you think it suits the Scottish Government to kybosh football? I am really struggling to see the argument behind that. All politicians have their hidden agendas but perhaps the question should be why not outdoor events which are surely safer than pubs, cinemas, etc. If it isn't backed up by the science then you have to think its political or possibly even personal. You only have to look back at the ill-judged secterianism bill which was purely aimed at football fans to question motives. It just doesn't make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 10:04:12 GMT
Do you think it suits the Scottish Government to kybosh football? I am really struggling to see the argument behind that. All politicians have their hidden agendas but perhaps the question should be why not outdoor events which are surely safer than pubs, cinemas, etc. If it isn't backed up by the science then you have to think its political or possibly even personal. You only have to look back at the ill-judged secterianism bill which was purely aimed at football fans to question motives. It just doesn't make sense. Exactly and the irony is that the same people who are being trusted to follow the rules in pubs etc seemingly are not able to do so outside at football.
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Post by bucky on Oct 4, 2020 12:46:54 GMT
Do you think it suits the Scottish Government to kybosh football? I am really struggling to see the argument behind that. All politicians have their hidden agendas but perhaps the question should be why not outdoor events which are surely safer than pubs, cinemas, etc. If it isn't backed up by the science then you have to think its political or possibly even personal. You only have to look back at the ill-judged secterianism bill which was purely aimed at football fans to question motives. It just doesn't make sense. Everyone has their own agendas Jimbo. In this it’s the politicians staring down the barrel when infections and death rates go up.
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Post by bucky on Oct 4, 2020 13:02:41 GMT
The argument is based on everything being opened back up. If that’s the case I want gigs back on asap. With cases of infection, admittance to ICU’s and more deaths does anyone think that’s a good move. Another issue which everyone is burying their heads in the sand is player safety. East Stirling (who don’t test) and Killie (who do test) are both in isolation. An absolute can of worms for lower league clubs. Let’s hope players in the lower leagues have sympathetic employers. I get that everyone wants their particular event, sport or hobby opened back up, and I also desperately want gigs back on given I have missed several. Where I am struggling is many indoor sites are deemed safe to open but outdoor spectating is not. No one has given the science to back this decision and that's what we are continually being told what drives the policies. The only conclusion can be that there are other reasons. The trial events were a success and yet no progress. Football and Rugby were put in a position to prove that they could operate safely and did so. What other events were forced to trial prior to opening, pubs ? restaurants? cinemas? shopping centres? If the government wants to keep clubs alive then they either need to fund them or open the gates. Is it safer outside than it is inside? Tell that to the staffers,special advisors, journalisms and politicians who attended Trumps event in the Rose Garden and now dropping like fleas with coronavirus. To be honest I would trust the Rovers to look after the fans and there is going to be risk involved. Doncaster who couldn’t organise a menodge would be better making a nuanced case for football and not tedious whataboutery “you canny go and see yer granny, but you can take her put to the pub”. I don’t think it’s quite as straight forward as everyone makes out. Also I’ll re-iterate my point about player safety that everyone likes to bury their head in the sand. An absolute can of worms.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 13:30:49 GMT
[quote author=" bucky" Everyone has their own agendas Jimbo. In this it’s the politicians staring down the barrel when infections and death rates go up. [/quote] Does beg the question why pubs, cinemas, restaurants, etc where deemed safer than outdoor events. And then we have the genius idea of the universities which predictably blew up in their faces. They are in a no win situation but if not their agenda then certainly their judgement is questionable. Lacking common sense if nothing else. Anyway back to setting up the laptop with the big telly! 👍
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Post by rab on Oct 4, 2020 20:35:13 GMT
The SFA are (once again) not doing their job properly.
The problem for football is extreme cautiousness on the part of the Scottish Govt. Non-league matches in England have been taking place since the beginning of September with all-ticket 400 capacities (I've been to 4 of them - including FA Cup matches). In practice, that capacity is rarely reached. There appear to have been no problems in terms of Covid.
Instead of making wild allegations, the SFA should be lobbying the Scottish govt very hard and making the case for something similar to be allowed in Scotland. I wonder if they have even tried.
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on Oct 4, 2020 20:42:49 GMT
Indeed Rab I’ve been to 3 games south of the border recently and the precautions and crowd limit made it more than bearable.
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Post by Rovergrant on Oct 5, 2020 13:39:55 GMT
Exactly Rab!! I was at Worksop town v chester (FT 2-2, Chester won on pens) in the FA Cup on Saturday....no problems whatsoever...attendance 293
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