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Post by paulrovers on Oct 31, 2020 17:49:42 GMT
Now I’ve had 45mins to recover from watching that, Il put my 2 Bob in for what it’s worth.
I don’t blame the players for these results. It’s those higher up than the players need to take ownership for this.
We have signed a team full of young kids, majority of them playing above the level than they actually should be. Our manager, I would like to think would have decent contacts in the game, but I’m guessing he would only be able to bring in an experienced heads if he was given investment to do so. He can only sign players of a certain age/level on the basis of the budget he has to work with. The manager can work on things in training and change positions and shape etc etc but let’s be honest the team signed are out of their depth in every department.
So let’s look at it differently, why do people take over a club if they have nothing in the back burner which they can invest to help improve? Common sense really. What are the people in charge bringing in to the club to help? The only help We see reported for the club financially is from the hard work the volunteers do and also the community stuff and all the work they are doing to keep funds coming into the club (lotto, 50-50’s etc)
Who is in charge? Has the chairman put anything down for the fans to read/see his plans or vision for our club? Correct me if I am wrong but the only thing I’ve seen is a promotion of our new home strip for the season.
The fans will always back the team on the park...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 18:05:51 GMT
To the people during the week who said to me (perfectly reasonably) that Albion Rovers are a part time team without the time and resources to analyse the performances and to change styles of play: How do you suggest if Rovers continue to play in this way, that they will score goals and win matches on a consistent basis? Their approach to almost every game sees them beaten almost immediately from where i am watching from. The manager will I presume look at his squad and the abilities of his players. Set the team out accordingly. I would anticipate that he has done that and is now finding out the limitations of the players he has. What will he do next? It’s not going to be easy with the limited resources he has. All the systems in the world won’t improve the results if the players are struggling to pass the ball from A to B. IMO Just little things will help though.
I barely ever see a central midfielder come short to receive a pass from the back 4. If a midfielder comes short for the ball, an opposition midfielder will either have to come with him and stop him, which will allow Rovers to build a man advantage in the middle of the pitch, OR the opposition will leave the player alone, and he can carry the ball higher up he field and look to play the ball wide.
Just little things like giving the man on the ball more options to pass to. Triangles. One central midfielder comes short, one gets into the hole. As one full back advances to become an auxillary wide player, the other one shuffles over to make a back 3 etc etc.
Another thing is, if they can just SLOW DOWN a bit and not insist on going long early constantly, then the wide players can get closer to Aitken, rather than him be so isolated and having to play like a one man army to get other people involved in the game.
They must be being told to play this way. Its not instinctive to get hold of the ball and just smash it one (in my experience of playing at least)
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Post by Rovergrant on Oct 31, 2020 19:33:39 GMT
Now I’ve had 45mins to recover from watching that, Il put my 2 Bob in for what it’s worth. I don’t blame the players for these results. It’s those higher up than the players need to take ownership for this. So let’s look at it differently, why do people take over a club if they have nothing in the back burner which they can invest to help improve? Common sense really. What are the people in charge bringing in to the club to help? The only help We see reported for the club financially is from the hard work the volunteers do and also the community stuff and all the work they are doing to keep funds coming into the club (lotto, 50-50’s etc) Who is in charge? Has the chairman put anything down for the fans to read/see his plans or vision for our club? Correct me if I am wrong but the only thing I’ve seen is a promotion of our new home strip for the season. The fans will always back the team on the park... KH who orchestrated the `Great Escape` had the benefit of cash from that telephone mast `deal`......that was a `one off `. Sadly Harper failed to build on his `success` of 2018-19 and walked when no more money was forthcoming. I did expect the new manager to bring in some experience, to expect a group of kids to compete would appear to be niave....as someone else said Broganesque.....
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Post by jordancampbell on Oct 31, 2020 19:40:22 GMT
I’m afraid we’re going down this season, folks. Sorry, but that’s the reality.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 19:53:40 GMT
And the club will die. All the fans who put money into the fund, full price season tickets, the lotto should be rightly furious. This is a shambles and the board need to wake up. It has just been said to me that Brechin sacked their manager and it worked for them today. Bit early but the pressure is building and justifiably.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 20:04:48 GMT
For someone who is new to the club, in a nutshell, why was there such a high turnover of players from the end of last season to this current season, and with hindsight would it have been better to keep more continuity?
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Post by Rovergrant on Oct 31, 2020 20:40:31 GMT
For someone who is new to the club, in a nutshell, why was there such a high turnover of players from the end of last season to this current season, and with hindsight would it have been better to keep more continuity? Money....or lack of it........
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 21:21:01 GMT
For someone who is new to the club, in a nutshell, why was there such a high turnover of players from the end of last season to this current season, and with hindsight would it have been better to keep more continuity? I agree with this question being asked. There is no experience left in any areas of the pitch. Especially in the defensive 3rd. We may have good forwards however they are not getting any decent ball. The team turns decent possession into a 50/50 ball. Everything is a fight. Maybe there’s a cunning plan?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 21:32:53 GMT
The manager will I presume look at his squad and the abilities of his players. Set the team out accordingly. I would anticipate that he has done that and is now finding out the limitations of the players he has. What will he do next? It’s not going to be easy with the limited resources he has. All the systems in the world won’t improve the results if the players are struggling to pass the ball from A to B. IMO Just little things will help though.
I barely ever see a central midfielder come short to receive a pass from the back 4. If a midfielder comes short for the ball, an opposition midfielder will either have to come with him and stop him, which will allow Rovers to build a man advantage in the middle of the pitch, OR the opposition will leave the player alone, and he can carry the ball higher up he field and look to play the ball wide.
Just little things like giving the man on the ball more options to pass to. Triangles. One central midfielder comes short, one gets into the hole. As one full back advances to become an auxillary wide player, the other one shuffles over to make a back 3 etc etc.
Another thing is, if they can just SLOW DOWN a bit and not insist on going long early constantly, then the wide players can get closer to Aitken, rather than him be so isolated and having to play like a one man army to get other people involved in the game.
They must be being told to play this way. Its not instinctive to get hold of the ball and just smash it one (in my experience of playing at least)
All of what you say maybe true. With an inexperienced crop of players who have come through and playing at this level for the first time it takes time to coach All the things to which you refer. It is time that most teams at this level (and part time) don’t have. Pep Guadiola has a lot to answer for. Giving an expectancy that we, as fans are paying to see football of the quality and standard that his teams display. I wish we had that quality of coach and player at this level. I may sound a bit defeatist but I’m just being realistic.
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Post by Edrover on Oct 31, 2020 22:26:45 GMT
It's always been a league where you need a bit of experience. A few lower league journeymen and ideally one mid/late thirties ex top flighter that still fancies a run out on a Saturday, one or two good loanees, think Cadden and Lawless then the youngsters. Getting outplayed and out muscled by a team that hadn't won in 16 was horrible deja vu from a couple of seasons ago. Just more experienced and battle hardened, boys against men stuff really. It's a tough, physical league, unforgiving to learn on the job without guys that haven't been there or done it by your side. Really hope we've got one or two lined up.
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Post by bucky on Nov 1, 2020 8:31:43 GMT
As paulrovers rightly posts we are crying out for leadership. I’m not sure where it’s going to come from on or off the park. The games are only going to get tougher- Annan away they are a solid L2 outfit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 10:26:53 GMT
Having had time to think about the recent performances and consider all the other points raised , I thought as a newcomer and outsider I would offer my thoughts.
In pre season the team seemed to be taking shape with some relatively decent performances against teams from higher divisions, granted we lost goals and they were friendlies. What I did see in these games was a basic 4 4 2 formation with players playing in ,from my very limited knowledge of the players, appeared to be their natural positions.
The early signs did highlight we were leaking goals but we were also creating and the team were linking up well for a practically new group.
The game v Ayr despite a defeat was not a disaster either as they are 2 leagues above and established at the top end of their league.
I was hopeful that with the penalty victory v Stranraer the team would push on and be ok in the league.
I really don't know why the performances have dipped so much now the league has started.
I appreciate they are young however there are good players in the group and despite their inexperience should be performing better.
Has the line up changed dramatically since those pre season bet fred games? Has the confidence been drained by recent results as yesterday the team were never in it or looking threatening and I would at the very least have expected far more fight in a massively important game.
I can't comment on finances as I have no prior knowledge of the clubs running. What I would think is the manager should be pushing the opportunity for players to put themselves in the shop window to show their talents and prospect of moving to a higher level. This would also be opportunity for some older players who have fallen out of favour with clubs to reinvent themselves. One major problem with this is the money in the old juniors is greater than many lg1 & 2 team
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Post by tommysermanni on Nov 2, 2020 7:29:49 GMT
Too early to hit the panic button. Am I surprised at the defeat to Brechin or our league position ? no.
I said last season that if we survived we would have 2 seasons maximum at this level before dropping down
That's not being pessimistic it's just recognising where Rovers are as a Club,our infrastructure,lack of money coming into the Club and the calibre/financial weight of those teams hovering below us.
Our main hope of survival was that Brechin or some other team would be equally as bad as ourselves.This does not appear to be the case...so far.
All we can do is support the team and hope that a chasm with those teams above us does not manifest.
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Post by jordancampbell on Nov 2, 2020 11:50:03 GMT
Too early to hit the panic button. Am I surprised at the defeat to Brechin or our league position ? no. I said last season that if we survived we would have 2 seasons maximum at this level before dropping down That's not being pessimistic it's just recognising where Rovers are as a Club,our infrastructure,lack of money coming into the Club and the calibre/financial weight of those teams hovering below us. Our main hope of survival was that Brechin or some other team would be equally as bad as ourselves.This does not appear to be the case...so far. All we can do is support the team and hope that a chasm with those teams above us does not manifest. I couldn’t disagree more...and I was optimistic after the early cup games. We are in real danger of a Brogan clusterf*ck all over again. A lot of ‘Vers fans, at the time, refused to acknowledge just how precarious our position was until it was nearly too late. Surprised that more experienced heads haven’t been recruited by Reid and his team. That’s what we are lacking. As for a lack of money, I’m not entirely sure how I feel about this claim. The Squad Fund, JustGiving initiative, Rovers Lotto etc. must go some way to attracting a better calibre of player, no? Time will tell...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 13:29:07 GMT
Too early to hit the panic button. Am I surprised at the defeat to Brechin or our league position ? no. I said last season that if we survived we would have 2 seasons maximum at this level before dropping down That's not being pessimistic it's just recognising where Rovers are as a Club,our infrastructure,lack of money coming into the Club and the calibre/financial weight of those teams hovering below us. Our main hope of survival was that Brechin or some other team would be equally as bad as ourselves.This does not appear to be the case...so far. All we can do is support the team and hope that a chasm with those teams above us does not manifest. The problem for me is not so much that they've lost the three games. Its the fact they've been totally blown away in all of the matches and look totally dreadful against sides who really shouldn't be THAT much better than them.
In my opinion, YES experience is obviously a factor. However, from the friendlies and league cup matches, it looked like there was good talent within the squad. Young yes, but there was some talent. I think experience can be overrated. You obviously need one or two experienced heads in there that Rovers are certainly lacking, but I don't think its the central issue. An experienced centre back that could organise the defence is the biggest loss.
The manager has built the squad though. Maybe a smaller squad should have been built but with more quality in certain areas? but that was the managers choice.
The manager IS responsible for the style of play. The football I have watched in the first three league games is appalling. Its worse than every other team by far. Its dipped from the league cup matches, and the fact all three games have followed the same pattern and style of play would suggest the players are trying to carry out the managers instructions.
The tactics invite tons of pressure onto the defence because 1) they treat the ball like its molten lava and hand it to the opposition constantly and 2) the flat midfield combinations offer no protection to the back 4.
They HAVE to learn from these performances and fast. Its ok to say its early days but if you do what you keep doing, youll get what you keep getting as a wise man once said. Rovers are under serious pressure already.
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