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Post by rhythmisarover on Dec 28, 2020 14:23:37 GMT
Yet another reality check in what is proving to be a sobering season. Didn’t expect us to win, but to ship 3 goals at home (with no reply) is nothing short of appalling. At least Brechin put up a fight... Interesting to see the tired old ‘I’ve done more for the club’ line being bandied about. Those who have ‘stepped up’ have, overwhelmingly, had more time on their hands than the average fan and I’d like to think that, if I was able to help out at Cliftonhill more often owing to retirement/reduced work commitments, I’d be there to help us survive. I find it sad, actually, that actual competition exists between some fans in this regard. We know there are those who work tirelessly behind the scenes, but this is unsung hero effort is reflected up and down the country and ARFC are by no means unique. Who decides what kind of help is more valuable, anyway? Flies in the face of the community ethos we’re trying to promote. Surely paying at the gate and buying a pie at HT is just as important as tidying the dressing room and being a ball ‘boy’? I digress. Simple conclusion? Reid has to go, our Chairman needs to give himself a shake and be more visible and open, and, without serious surgery, we could be doomed come the end of the season. Grim. Well put Jordan along with the simple conclusion. Since when did Rovers do things simply though? Just noticed that the ref was a woman on Saturday (after seeing the Youtube highlights), no complaints from me and a pleasant change.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 16:48:23 GMT
Well said Jordie. Nae arguments here. Ref was competent and fair and that's all you ask. The opposition don't need any help from refs anyway. We are handing out presents every game.
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Post by chris on Dec 29, 2020 0:17:43 GMT
The referee qnd 1 of the assistants were female at the weekend
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Post by tommysermanni on Dec 29, 2020 7:39:13 GMT
The only surprsing think about the Buckie result is that some people on here are surprised.It brings a whole new meaning to the word woeful.
I don't even want to go into the BOD/Chairman debacle as I quite honestly don't have the stomach for it at the moment.
With regards Anton Fagan. Would it be worth a shot a letter being sent from The Supporters Trust offering to buy some of his shares ?
At the moment we are clinging on to league status with 1 finger and if we don't go down this season it will be next.
We love Cliftonhill but it sits like a non cash generating relic of yesteryear and is a millstone around our necks.
We have a squad devoid of confidence a manager at who at best talks like he's necked Eldorado for breakfast and all we have is the potential of a couple of January loan signings.
It's bleak,it's dismal and it's like watching a horror story you have already seen a dozen times.
For those asking who would take the Rovers job I can tell you right now that job would interest a few managers with decent pedigree. It's lazy to suggest otherwise.
I'll be honest this is death by a thousand cuts. I'd actually take relegation to the Lowland League if we could survive financially and at least be playing competitive football again.
Clinging on every Saturday hoping Brechin get beaten is not my idea of fun. This is the football equivalent of being stuck on the bus coming back from a midweek cup defeat at Elgin and finding the only spare seats are between The Prof and Stewmelrover.
It has to end.
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Post by thelaird70 on Dec 31, 2020 16:45:12 GMT
In the 11 years I worked for the Club the majority of various Board members, with a couple of exceptions, worked their arses off for the Club without recompense or much thanks. It is no doubt a poisoned chalice and I can assure you after 11 years it was mentally and at times physically draining. Over the years many, many ideas have been proposed to bring money into the Club without much success and I feel for the current board in their attempts to keep the Club solvent and in existence. There were many times over the years when I said to myself when counting gate receipts "what's the f.....g point in this" As regards the manager, and I worked for a few in my time there, I have never seen a manager getting the job who provided references. What you get is a lottery and a gamble. Proven and unproven managers have had different levels of success. I fully understand the frustrations of supporters, as I do myself, but spare a thought for the players who do not go out there to be beaten but perhaps don't have the skill levels to achieve what they want. Finally it is very easy to support a successful team but when you're down on your uppers that's when you need support. Also it is easy to criticise those behind the scenes when you're not in possession of all the facts. Try doing their job for a month or so and see if your opinion changes. I'm a great believer in what's for you will not go by you so what will be will be. Happy New Year.
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Post by Edrover on Jan 1, 2021 21:27:05 GMT
Great post John. I remember a few years back during the run in when we won the league with Darren Young looking around thinking, jeez if we can't get a few more through the gate for these games when will we ever. I also remember stopping for a beer in Smiths during same run in and chatting to a group of local guys, Celtic fans of course, who had no idea that Rovers were on the verge of winning the league. It's never going to change. All those extra bods that turned up for the Rangers cup tie never came back. It will always be an almighty struggle for us, that said, you want success of sorts, even if financially it's unrealistic. If that success of sorts is being second worst then as Tommy said, it's death by a thousand cuts, I'd rather just go this season than hang on like this. I'd give the manager another 3 or 4 games, there have been flickers but it's one step forward two back and the fact he's throwing the players under the bus is pretty sad, especially as most are young and inexperienced. Apologies, bit of the Rev I M Jolly about the post but happy new year everyone, I'm sure it's going to get better, on and off the pitch!
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Post by mildrover on Jan 4, 2021 23:55:17 GMT
In the 11 years I worked for the Club the majority of various Board members, with a couple of exceptions, worked their arses off for the Club without recompense or much thanks. It is no doubt a poisoned chalice and I can assure you after 11 years it was mentally and at times physically draining. Over the years many, many ideas have been proposed to bring money into the Club without much success and I feel for the current board in their attempts to keep the Club solvent and in existence. There were many times over the years when I said to myself when counting gate receipts "what's the f.....g point in this" As regards the manager, and I worked for a few in my time there, I have never seen a manager getting the job who provided references. What you get is a lottery and a gamble. Proven and unproven managers have had different levels of success. I fully understand the frustrations of supporters, as I do myself, but spare a thought for the players who do not go out there to be beaten but perhaps don't have the skill levels to achieve what they want. Finally it is very easy to support a successful team but when you're down on your uppers that's when you need support. Also it is easy to criticise those behind the scenes when you're not in possession of all the facts. Try doing their job for a month or so and see if your opinion changes. I'm a great believer in what's for you will not go by you so what will be will be. Happy New Year. A lot of truth in what John says in his post and it's important to recognise, as Lorraine says, the efforts of those who have stood up and been counted in working to keep the show on the road at the Rovers over many years. As I have said before the basic challenges that make things difficult are we are a club with an average home gate of 300 on a good day and season book sales of 100 each year. Not the greatest of business models. We also have the continual battle to keep the stadium up to scratch so we can still play football at Cliftonhill. This is costly financially and is energy sapping for those involved. The last issue in my opinion is that the way the club is structured , it is not designed to attract people who may wish to invest to take the club forward. No one is going to put in significant money without the prospect of gaining some control and say in the running of the club. The issues are easy enough to identify: the answers to take the club forward are a bit more complex. Doing something to make investment easier and attractive is the key. Ronnie
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Post by jordancampbell on Jan 5, 2021 20:05:13 GMT
I remain perplexed at this notion that the work that’s been done behind the scenes over the years hasn’t been appreciated by the fanbase at large. It has and it is recognised and applauded. However, it doesn’t mean that BoD (and management) can make decisions that are beyond reproach.
I’m thankful, for example, that Ian Benton is taking on the role of Chairman amidst difficult circumstances, but am dismayed at his lack of communication despite some awful results and PR for the club.
I’m thankful, too, that Ronnie ‘stepped up’ at our supposed time of need, but regretful that he refused to acknowledge his project Brogan had gone off-the-rails before almost irreparable damage had been done.
I applaud Brian Reid for taking on the Rovers job, but have real concerns that we will survive the season and am worried that his loose tongue and outlandish outbursts could make our club a laughing stock.
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Post by mildrover on Jan 5, 2021 20:47:49 GMT
What I really want is new ideas at the club with substance to bring money to Albion Rovers and that is what we all want. Albion Rovers FC What can we do to keep this club alive? * We all love the Rovers and that is in our heart I This post sums up what is required at the Rovers. A discussion on new ideas to bring in new investment to the club to ensure its future. Endlessly going over events from the past will take us nowhere. Ronnie
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Post by Rovergrant on Jan 6, 2021 9:30:54 GMT
I`s not just about financial investment, although any opportunity should be taken on board after due diligence...but intellectual investment....and that means seeking out new people away from current involvement with the club with contacts and fresh ideas that they have proven to work in other fields of business.
With respect to the events of the past as Santayana said....."Those who cannot remember the past and learn from it are condemned to repeat it."
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Post by mildrover on Jan 9, 2021 10:51:49 GMT
I`s not just about financial investment, although any opportunity should be taken on board after due diligence...but intellectual investment....and that means seeking out new people away from current involvement with the club with contacts and fresh ideas that they have proven to work in other fields of business. With respect to the events of the past as Santayana said....."Those who cannot remember the past and learn from it are condemned to repeat it." A very good quote Rovergrant and very true. Although many claim the quote for Edmund Burke but it's still a great saying containing a wealth of truth. However, I feel a few contributors to the board seem fixated by a few 'facts' about the club which they continually refer to even though they are inaccurate and give a narrow view of events. But of course, that is their right. Another great quote about the past is ' people should be like trees in winter: experts at letting things go.' Ronnie
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Post by mildrover on Jan 9, 2021 10:58:53 GMT
What I really want is new ideas at the club with substance to bring money to Albion Rovers and that is what we all want. Albion Rovers FC What can we do to keep this club alive? * We all love the Rovers and that is in our heart I On the topic of new ideas , I am sure the chairman and the board are continually looking at new ideas, new people and new investment to take the club forward and to a different level. One possibility is something I saw in the media just before Christmas was the announcement of a strategic partnership being signed between Stenhousemuir and Hibernian. It certainly is worth a look and consideration in my opinion. It's maybe something our BOD could explore with a SPL club. Ronnie
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Post by paulrovers on Jan 9, 2021 15:52:14 GMT
If hands are being tied to help the club survive, everyone seems to point to this Fagan figure as the reason for it. Why is nobody outing him for it, we have newspapers, why don’t the people who want him gone get interviews set up with the papers to call him out and try to force his hand into releasing the shares? Surely that would be a start on trying to free things up to save the club and get the interest into the club that people are seeking?? Ronnie you were chairman, why didn’t you call it out in the papers during the interviews you done previously?
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Post by samtennentjnr on Jan 9, 2021 17:37:00 GMT
Weirdly had a similar thought a few days ago Paul. I think Frank Meade did call it out a few years ago (or at least tried to get him to become more involved in the decision making etc).
I think the tactic up till now has been to extend the shareholding but this had been denied by the Fagan's. Maybe a change of tact is worth a try ? We are pretty mild-mannered as a fanbase but maybe something around this coming from the Trust or another organised fan group. Im not talking about storming the capitol building here but there must be something we could do as the tip toing around it doesn't seem to be working.
The issue is he owns the shares and to my knowledge isn't breaking any rules. But I'm sure "Top SFA Official is slowly killing club" isn't exactly the kind of press he or his employer would want.
Delicate situation but if this is the real issue for the club's long term future might be worth pursuing.
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Post by mildrover on Jan 10, 2021 9:11:54 GMT
If hands are being tied to help the club survive, everyone seems to point to this Fagan figure as the reason for it. Why is nobody outing him for it, we have newspapers, why don’t the people who want him gone get interviews set up with the papers to call him out and try to force his hand into releasing the shares? Surely that would be a start on trying to free things up to save the club and get the interest into the club that people are seeking?? Ronnie you were chairman, why didn’t you call it out in the papers during the interviews you done previously? It is important to stress that there is nothing to 'call out' about the actions of shareholders , major or otherwise. Nothing illegal or against the articles of the club has been done. However, there is significant frustration in a number of areas concerning shares. These are my views but I'm sure others will have opinions about the whole question of shareholding: possibly calls for a separate thread. Firstly, as a board member a few years back, it was very hard to work out what the shareholders', especially the major ones, views, aspirations and plans were for the club. I would still love to hear our major shareholders articulate that at an AGM. My second area of frustrations was to do with the inability to get new investment in through a fresh share issue and the fact that potential investors were/are put off by the fact that they could plough in significant funds but they would have no say and their plans could be scuppered by shareholders many of whom have power through inherited shares but have not invested their own money or time in the Rovers. Ronnie
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