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Post by mildrover on Aug 2, 2021 6:25:11 GMT
Can the club afford a match day programme? Can the Trust afford a match day programme? Is the Stenhousemuir model a possibility? Is the QP model a possibility? First, time for the Board to let us know what they think. Second, time for the Trust to let us know what they think. Excellent questions Nanook with one one vital one missing. Are there volunteers willing to take the programme on from those who have put in so much work over many years. And my question is relevant to loads of things such as the club shop, social media, website etc etc Ronnie
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Post by teekasule on Aug 2, 2021 11:21:19 GMT
Can the club afford a match day programme? Can the Trust afford a match day programme? Is the Stenhousemuir model a possibility? Is the QP model a possibility? First, time for the Board to let us know what they think. Second, time for the Trust to let us know what they think. Excellent questions Nanook with one one vital one missing. Are there volunteers willing to take the programme on from those who have put in so much work over many years. And my question is relevant to loads of things at the club eg club shop, social media, website etc etc Ronnie I used to do all of them at one point ! LOL. one thing for the board to look at might be a financial incentive - ie when I ran my own company I pitched the new website and new online shop to Frank at the time. I took 10% or something similar from the sales but believe me this was a pretty time consuming job. We ( John my brother and others at the Trust) ordered the stock, strips, mugs, scarves etc. My loft was literally full of stock at times I personally packaged up sales and went to the post Office almost daily to post the items out.I was shocked at the amount we sold - all over the world. Obviously the Club use a professional outlet now in Football Nation but I know other clubs use external companies to design and print match day programmes. But with two league home games + the cup games gone now the advertising that kept the programme hopefully in profit has been lost. The planning of the programme would start in May for July/ off so maybe something to look at for next season ? ie contact an external company to do all of this... Quick Google has a few companies that do something similar. time wise I could easily spent 4+ odd hours a week designing. Some less if the programme was short in articles. But sometimes alot more for cup games and the Jock Stein programme. But the build up designing the adverts etc etc can take alot more. All of the wee things that people didn't see take time, finding out who the ref is, who was the match sponsor, who played for the opposition team the week before ! who played for us the week before, finding logos, images, etc etc. Donald, David, John, Bill, Nonook, Scott, Eddie, Ronnie Board members etc etc all contributed to this - so there's alot of people involved. Not sure of the actual sales in the last season we did the programme but the amount we printed dropped down every season and some home game we were only printing 100 copies ! A good few of these went to BOD, players and sponsors. Times have changed with our amazing social media team - Twitter updates, website updates and youtube videos for fans to consume now.. Tee.
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Post by bucky on Aug 2, 2021 11:23:13 GMT
A programme is part of a club's history and heritage. If you lose that, you lose much that is meaningful about supporting a club. I tend to agree here. The programmes from yester year I still use for info/pics for the OldRovers pics Twitter account. It’s good that the Board are going to discuss the matter so we’ll see what transpires. It maybe a future programme will be basic . Robin Marwick used to produce a 4 page programme (A4 folded in half basically) for Reserve games back in the 80’s and 90’s. Some might see that model as a glorified team sheet but to be brutally honest today’s collectors willingly pay upto £200 for programmes going back to the 40’s for just that. I get Ronnie’s point it will depend on who can volunteer their services and how much time and cost can be devoted.
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Post by RoverDGNR8 on Aug 2, 2021 11:37:49 GMT
Is that just our (prim)rose-tinted glasses, though, Rab? (Edit - and Bucky.) I know that my (increasingly rare) visits to football no longer feature a programme as a matter of course - the things the big boys produce these days are very much "house magazines" with little of interest to the visiting fan (I mean, predicting starting line-ups an hour before kick-off is hard enough, who'd want to try before a printing deadline?) And we (the crumbly collectors) aren't being replaced. Today's kids aren't much interested in the current issues and certainly don't pore over copies older than themselves the way we did/do. I enjoyed my postal subscription to the Rovers programme a couple of years ago and would/will repeat the exercise should the opportunity arise, but the truth is that the last essential matchday publication was 30 years ago. Wish I could remember who published it...
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on Aug 2, 2021 15:30:30 GMT
.. Robin Marwick used to produce a 4 page programme (A4 folded in half basically) for Reserve games back in the 80’s and 90’s. My Dad used to produce this and have it photocopied and once phoned the opposition to ask their team for the reserves game and was asked "Do you mind if I tell the players first?".
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Post by jordancampbell on Aug 4, 2021 9:08:38 GMT
All,
This was discussed at Monday night’s BoD meeting.
The issue will be discussed by the Trust and the club will be kept abreast of any developments.
Whilst we await a decision, no hard copy programmes will be for sale meantime at home matches.
I hope this clarifies the situation.
Jordie.
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Post by rab on Aug 4, 2021 11:31:26 GMT
In otherwords, the Club wants the Trust to do it, and if the Trust can't do it then there will be no programme.
A poor show.
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Post by chris on Aug 4, 2021 14:16:31 GMT
In otherwords, the Club wants the Trust to do it, and if the Trust can't do it then there will be no programme. A poor show. Think it's more a case of the club can't afford it, The programme lost somwhere in the region of £800 if I remember correctly 2 years ago, and that season was cut short due to covid, Also that was with everyone working on it being volunteers
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on Aug 4, 2021 14:40:39 GMT
Once again it’s “losses” are debatable. It brings intangible cash to the club through advertising for club sponsors. Player sponsorship exceeds that amount by quite a bit and quite frankly the only benefit sponsors got was their name in the prog.
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Post by chris on Aug 4, 2021 22:54:30 GMT
Once again it’s “losses” are debatable. It brings intangible cash to the club through advertising for club sponsors. Player sponsorship exceeds that amount by quite a bit and quite frankly the only benefit sponsors got was their name in the prog. I think though that money went to the club not the programme,
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on Aug 5, 2021 19:41:26 GMT
Player sponsorship went to the trust and of course trust cash mostly foes to the club.
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Post by Nanook on Aug 6, 2021 0:03:27 GMT
The Player sponsorship scheme needs a vehicle for display, what other than a Match Day programme?
If there is no programme, does that mean no Player sponsorship scheme?
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Post by exdalziel on Aug 6, 2021 19:45:06 GMT
The Player sponsorship scheme needs a vehicle for display, what other than a Match Day programme? If there is no programme, does that mean no Player sponsorship scheme? My club in England runs a player sponsorship. The benefits include an announcement of the sponsors name with their player during the team announcements, all goal updates include the sponsors name, a draw at the end of the season for a signed shirt or a photo with their sponsored player etc. Loads of ways of doing this without a programme.
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Post by mildrover on Aug 7, 2021 10:27:29 GMT
The Player sponsorship scheme needs a vehicle for display, what other than a Match Day programme? If there is no programme, does that mean no Player sponsorship scheme? My club in England runs a player sponsorship. The benefits include an announcement of the sponsors name with their player during the team announcements, all goal updates include the sponsors name, a draw at the end of the season for a signed shirt or a photo with their sponsored player etc. Loads of ways of doing this without a programme. A few people have asked me if the players sponsorship will run this season. Although it has been linked to the programme in the past I think it could run outwith the programme, perhaps on the website or this forum. It's popular because people feel a link with the player/s they are sponsoring and it's a reasonable earner for the club or Supporters Trust. Ronnie
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Post by exdalziel on Aug 7, 2021 20:03:39 GMT
My club in England runs a player sponsorship. The benefits include an announcement of the sponsors name with their player during the team announcements, all goal updates include the sponsors name, a draw at the end of the season for a signed shirt or a photo with their sponsored player etc. Loads of ways of doing this without a programme. A few people have asked me if the players sponsorship will run this season. Although it has been linked to the programme in the past I think it could run outwith the programme, perhaps on the website or this forum. It's popular because people feel a link with the player/s they are sponsoring and it's a reasonable earner for the club or Supporters Trust. Ronnie I agree, anything that gives a supporter a link to the players/team is a good thing IMHO. Almost everyone these days has social media and a tweet mentioning your name/company is excellent publicity
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