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Post by mildrover on Mar 4, 2022 23:45:24 GMT
There’s been discussion about our form this season and how our performances and results at home are adversely affected by the pitch- some of the discussion taking place at tonight’s AGM.
By my reckoning we have played 16 competitive matches at home:
Won 7
Drew 3
Lost 6
18 competitive matches away from home:
Won 2
Drew 6
Lost 10
Ronnie
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Post by mildrover on Mar 5, 2022 12:12:44 GMT
And to continue the theme… our away record on artificial pitches is
Played 10 competitive matches
Won 2
Drew 2
Lost 6
Goals for 14
Goals against 27
Ronnie
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Post by chris on Mar 5, 2022 20:57:00 GMT
To put your results into perspective Ronnie
We are
6th in the table on home record
8th in the table on away record
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 21:14:06 GMT
And 9th in to he real world. Abysmal record.
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Post by mildrover on Mar 6, 2022 7:05:53 GMT
There’s been discussion about our form this season and how our performances and results at home are adversely affected by the pitch- some of the discussion taking place at tonight’s AGM. By my reckoning we have played 17 competitive matches at home: Won 7 Drew 3 Lost 7 18 competitive matches away from home: Won 2 Drew 6 Lost 10 Ronnie |
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Post by jaydee on Mar 6, 2022 8:18:13 GMT
And to continue the theme… our away record on artificial pitches is Played 10 competitive matches Won 2 Drew 2 Lost 6 Goals for 14 Goals against 27 Ronnie I think the point is that the teams we have played on artificial pitches are all doing better in their leagues (Hamilton apart) then teams on grass in those same leagues. Queens Park are the only exception and they are massively underachieving in 4th in league 1 considering they are full time. Like it or not (and I don’t particularly want to see artificial parks) they are an INCOME GENERATOR for smaller clubs allowing money to spent elsewhere including wages for players 🤷🏽♂️ |
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Post by mildrover on Mar 6, 2022 9:22:59 GMT
Arbroath are doing well on a grass pitch.
To lay and maintain an artificial pitch and put in decent changing rooms etc plus paying staff to run the facility would see no change out of half a million.
Add in the fact that we would be in opposition to at least 4 NLC artificial pitches in a mile’s radius and we would take in far short of money needed to pay for the facility never mind bring in extra revenue.
Comparisons with other clubs are pointless. Take Forfar for instance. The club paid nothing for their pitch as it was paid for jointly by Angus Council and an SFA initiative. Also they have no competing facilities in the town.
This was looked at in detail a few years ago and sensibly rejected as financially unviable.
In my dreams I would love to see us playing in Coatbridge at an Annan like stadium with an artificial pitch.
But in the real world the main thing is the long term survival of the club and we should not be side tracked by schemes that would lead us to financial ruin.
Ronnie
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Post by jaydee on Mar 6, 2022 15:02:29 GMT
Arbroath are doing well on a grass pitch. To lay and maintain an artificial pitch and put in decent changing rooms etc plus paying staff to run the facility would see no change out of half a million. Add in the fact that we would be in opposition to at least 4 NLC artificial pitches in a mile’s radius and we would take in far short of money needed to pay for the facility never mind bring in extra revenue. Comparisons with other clubs are pointless. Take Forfar for instance. The club paid nothing for their pitch as it was paid for jointly by Angus Council and an SFA initiative. Also they have no competing facilities in the town. This was looked at in detail a few years ago and sensibly rejected as financially unviable. In my dreams I would love to see us playing in Coatbridge at an Annan like stadium with an artificial pitch. But in the real world the main thing is the long term survival of the club and we should not be side tracked by schemes that would lead us to financial ruin. Ronnie Have we looked into possible grant money? Have we looked into the how busy these other facilities are? A mile as the crow flies is far different to a mile commuting in Coatbridge. I assume you’re meaning Rawyards and St Ambrose as examples of these pitches, which might as well be on the other side of the planet for travelling. St Ambrose’s parks aren’t great either so no competition there. If you don’t think the people talking about changing the pitch and stadium have the long term interest of the club in mind when they ask for a potential business plan to be drawn up on this matter then you couldn’t be more wrong, the beautiful old lady that is Cliftonhill is falling apart, every year we are relying on the good will, hard work and bargaining skills of individuals to get us passed the safety certificate. With investment (the hard part granted) and or going to a bank with a solid business plan we could have an artificial pitch, some 7’s and 5’s pitches around the perimeter all bringing in between £40 and £75 an hour (possibly low balling haven’t played 5’s or 7’s for a while) and hiring out the actual pitch on top of that. Not to mention the £200-300 a week we’d be saving on training facilities for ourselves. The under 21’s could use the stadium instead of St Ambrose plus other teams in the local area who want to have their players playing in “a stadium atmosphere” My fear is that as a club we are afraid of change so haven’t PROPERLY looked into this, happy to be PROVED wrong though 👍🏼 |
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Post by Nanook on Mar 6, 2022 16:46:44 GMT
Jaydee, Dunbeth Park has plastic pitches, or had the last time I walked by.
I am a grass park fan. Senior football should not be played on plastic.
Football played on plastic is not football. You can see players running differently, adjusting their actions, the ball behaves differently, bounces can vary across different plastic pitches, players get new and interesting injuries compared to grass parks.
Ronnie, your stats are interesting, could you do a grass park results v plastic park results comparison?
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Post by mildrover on Mar 6, 2022 17:17:36 GMT
Jaydee, Dunbeth Park has plastic pitches, or had the last time I walked by. I am a grass park fan. Senior football should not be played on plastic. Football played on plastic is not football. You can see players running differently, adjusting their actions, the ball behaves differently, bounces can vary across different plastic pitches, players get new and interesting injuries compared to grass parks. Ronnie, your stats are interesting, could you do a grass park results v plastic park results comparison? Nanook Our results on grass are no worse than those on artificial pitches. That is what I was trying to show. Ronnie |
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Post by sw21081990 on Mar 6, 2022 17:59:45 GMT
Jaydee isn't meaning its better football on 4g surfaces what he is getting at is increasing finances like putting a 5 a side park behind the goals to the left hand side where the large open space is I don't think there are any 5 aside parks in Coatbridge anymore so this would be extremely popular and would bring in more income the other would be regarding the park to re lay the park as 4g artificial surface, this would be costly to lay so funding would be required I.e looking at grants etc. The same time the income the club would receive would be increased significantly as the park could be hired out for 11 a side games and also recreationally with there being enough space for 3x 7 aside parks the same as the likes of St ambrose have. Having this could only benefit the club financially, with cost of laying a 3g park being between £200-£400k then going on the hourly rate that the local council charge for hiring a third of a park between £50-£70ph ×3 plus £20-£40ph for 5 a side park 7 days per week the club would be looking at close to £900k per annum both parks paid off which would leave between £300k-£500k profit in the first year alone and then between £700k-£900k every year after pure profit. And this is going by the currents rates where the figures have came from.
As for dunbeth park thats the old style astro turf which isn't suitable for any type of football.
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Post by sam on Mar 6, 2022 19:32:51 GMT
Jaydee isn't meaning its better football on 4g surfaces what he is getting at is increasing finances like putting a 5 a side park behind the goals to the left hand side where the large open space is I don't think there are any 5 aside parks in Coatbridge anymore so this would be extremely popular and would bring in more income the other would be regarding the park to re lay the park as 4g artificial surface, this would be costly to lay so funding would be required I.e looking at grants etc. The same time the income the club would receive would be increased significantly as the park could be hired out for 11 a side games and also recreationally with there being enough space for 3x 7 aside parks the same as the likes of St ambrose have. Having this could only benefit the club financially, with cost of laying a 3g park being between £200-£400k then going on the hourly rate that the local council charge for hiring a third of a park between £50-£70ph ×3 plus £20-£40ph for 5 a side park 7 days per week the club would be looking at close to £900k per annum both parks paid off which would leave between £300k-£500k profit in the first year alone and then between £700k-£900k every year after pure profit. And this is going by the currents rates where the figures have came from. As for dunbeth park thats the old style astro turf which isn't suitable for any type of football. Sounds as if it’s a no brainer then!!! However when the club are awash with money and the chairman is signing players at random due to all this cash being brought in where do the team play their games or train for that matter. Where would the Under 21 team play their games or train. Not sure if you’ve seen a lot of 4G pitches rammed with players Mon-Fri through the day, I know I haven’t so when is this 4G park going to be used by all these other folk desperate to play football. Oh that’s right they are going to want to play when the club want to use it for their own team so there is 2 nights takings gone plus every other Sat from 12. Maybe not need to buy that big Brazilian striker now as the budgets shrunk a bit. Apologies for being sarcastic but if we are going to come up with crazy financial figures then tough I actually think the move to a 4G park would be a good idea, however if a feasibility study has already been carried out a few years ago and found to be not viable for the club how is it going to be better now. If the study was done by the board a few years ago then surely the present board should have access to it and should be able to say wether they agree with it. |
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Post by jaydee on Mar 6, 2022 20:12:43 GMT
Ok here’s another stat for you. In League 2 the top 5 in the league all play on artificial surfaces and the bottom 5 all play on grass.
League 1 is slightly skewed in that 7 teams have artificial surfaces but 6 out of the top 7 have artificial grass, Full time Queen’s Park the only ones playing on grass in the top 7.
To put it another way in the professional lower leagues in Scotland only 1 grass park is in a promotion play off position.
We all want what’s best for the club, at the moment there seems to be different opinions in what that is.
I cannot see how the stadium as it is is sustainable for the future of our club.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 20:17:26 GMT
I think all that proves is that the clubs with loads of money can get plastic pitches and have huge budgets for players and are at the top of the league because of the money and not the pitches. The other one has loads of money and play at Hampden on the bowling green or if they have moved on the plastic at lesser Hampden. We have neither unfortunately.
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Post by jaydee on Mar 6, 2022 20:21:03 GMT
I think all that proves is that the clubs with loads of money can get plastic pitches and have huge budgets for players and are at the top of the league because of the money and not the pitches. The other one has loads of money and play at Hampden on the bowling green or if they have moved on the plastic at lesser Hampden. We have neither unfortunately. So about as useful as parading our record against said rich clubs as a reason for not exploring the artificial pitch route then? |
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