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Post by chris on Jan 1, 2023 22:29:21 GMT
What's the opinions on a 4g Park at cliftonhill, arguments for and against The club looked at it before and the cost of groundwork required in order to lay a plastic park made it unviable, along with the other ground requirements in order to make money from it trebled and quadrupled the price, Unfortunately as much as I agree it would help, it's just beyond practical at the moment
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Post by rovers16arfc on Jan 1, 2023 23:26:50 GMT
Could the club or even community not look at grants ,yes it would cost quite a bit initially in the short term but in the long term the financial income it would bring would be massive the the pitches do need replaced every 10/12 years yeah but this would have paid for itself after a 2 years fact . You just need to ask clubs that currently have artificial surfaces , the likes of even smaller junior football clubs have artificial surfaces on there own grounds so where do clubs like this who are smaller than ours get the funding from and its certainly not benefactors. Its something that should really be getting considered , for changing rooms there is a lot of unused space in the ground where easily 2 portacabins could be brought in initially for changing rooms and the income which will be brought in fact keeps the stadium up to standard possibly even upgrade and brings very much needed income, to put it into perspective for 2 hours at airdrie stadium for full pitch its roughly £250 estimate so on that twice a week its estimate £500 a week for 2 training sessions thats a lot of money when it's added up for a full season. So look at it like this if cliftonhill had an artificial surface then money is saved for the club that could go back into the club rather than a training expenditure then you also have the rest of the week to hire parks out then there are summer holidays when schools are off then countless teams who would happily train there and play games when the first team or 20s aren't on it and people go on about but there are other facilities, maybe so but they have been left to go to ruin by the councils so having a new surfaces in central Coatbridge and giving anyone the opportunity to train and play inside the stadium would be extremely popular, there is even a massive space at the Airdrie end in the carpark where a 5 aside park could be put in place too , as there isn't a single 5aside park in Coatbridge since the facilities in shawhead were shut a few years ago . We need to go with the times and look for the future and not hide behind the past there are too many who are scared of change and its this thats stopping the club progress we need a bit of ambition the club doesn't even have an academy there are even amateur sides out there with academies this really is something that should be introduced immediately and build home grown talent having just a 20s side isn't enough we need more. If I'm way off I'm happy to debate as I love this club and want it to improve and achieve great things which we could certainly do with ambition and not being afraid of change.
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Post by Calum Moore on Jan 2, 2023 0:37:30 GMT
Could the club or even community not look at grants ,yes it would cost quite a bit initially in the short term but in the long term the financial income it would bring would be massive the the pitches do need replaced every 10/12 years yeah but this would have paid for itself after a 2 years fact . You just need to ask clubs that currently have artificial surfaces , the likes of even smaller junior football clubs have artificial surfaces on there own grounds so where do clubs like this who are smaller than ours get the funding from and its certainly not benefactors. Its something that should really be getting considered , for changing rooms there is a lot of unused space in the ground where easily 2 portacabins could be brought in initially for changing rooms and the income which will be brought in fact keeps the stadium up to standard possibly even upgrade and brings very much needed income, to put it into perspective for 2 hours at airdrie stadium for full pitch its roughly £250 estimate so on that twice a week its estimate £500 a week for 2 training sessions thats a lot of money when it's added up for a full season. So look at it like this if cliftonhill had an artificial surface then money is saved for the club that could go back into the club rather than a training expenditure then you also have the rest of the week to hire parks out then there are summer holidays when schools are off then countless teams who would happily train there and play games when the first team or 20s aren't on it and people go on about but there are other facilities, maybe so but they have been left to go to ruin by the councils so having a new surfaces in central Coatbridge and giving anyone the opportunity to train and play inside the stadium would be extremely popular, there is even a massive space at the Airdrie end in the carpark where a 5 aside park could be put in place too , as there isn't a single 5aside park in Coatbridge since the facilities in shawhead were shut a few years ago . We need to go with the times and look for the future and not hide behind the past there are too many who are scared of change and its this thats stopping the club progress we need a bit of ambition the club doesn't even have an academy there are even amateur sides out there with academies this really is something that should be introduced immediately and build home grown talent having just a 20s side isn't enough we need more. If I'm way off I'm happy to debate as I love this club and want it to improve and achieve great things which we could certainly do with ambition and not being afraid of change. Completely agree that a 4g pitch could change the club’s financial situation and I know fans local businesses etc may contribute to any costs
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Post by chris on Jan 2, 2023 0:53:16 GMT
Nobody is dis agreeing with you but it isn't going to happen
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Post by rovers16arfc on Jan 2, 2023 1:00:27 GMT
Could the club or even community not look at grants ,yes it would cost quite a bit initially in the short term but in the long term the financial income it would bring would be massive the the pitches do need replaced every 10/12 years yeah but this would have paid for itself after a 2 years fact . You just need to ask clubs that currently have artificial surfaces , the likes of even smaller junior football clubs have artificial surfaces on there own grounds so where do clubs like this who are smaller than ours get the funding from and its certainly not benefactors. Its something that should really be getting considered , for changing rooms there is a lot of unused space in the ground where easily 2 portacabins could be brought in initially for changing rooms and the income which will be brought in fact keeps the stadium up to standard possibly even upgrade and brings very much needed income, to put it into perspective for 2 hours at airdrie stadium for full pitch its roughly £250 estimate so on that twice a week its estimate £500 a week for 2 training sessions thats a lot of money when it's added up for a full season. So look at it like this if cliftonhill had an artificial surface then money is saved for the club that could go back into the club rather than a training expenditure then you also have the rest of the week to hire parks out then there are summer holidays when schools are off then countless teams who would happily train there and play games when the first team or 20s aren't on it and people go on about but there are other facilities, maybe so but they have been left to go to ruin by the councils so having a new surfaces in central Coatbridge and giving anyone the opportunity to train and play inside the stadium would be extremely popular, there is even a massive space at the Airdrie end in the carpark where a 5 aside park could be put in place too , as there isn't a single 5aside park in Coatbridge since the facilities in shawhead were shut a few years ago . We need to go with the times and look for the future and not hide behind the past there are too many who are scared of change and its this thats stopping the club progress we need a bit of ambition the club doesn't even have an academy there are even amateur sides out there with academies this really is something that should be introduced immediately and build home grown talent having just a 20s side isn't enough we need more. If I'm way off I'm happy to debate as I love this club and want it to improve and achieve great things which we could certainly do with ambition and not being afraid of change. Completely agree that a 4g pitch could change the club’s financial situation and I know fans local businesses etc may contribute to any costs I completely agree and I'll bet if you asked most of the players too they would prefer cliftonhill to be 4g especially when they train on artificial surface but you will have a select few people not wanting it as I've seen a comment before from a previous post where a person actually stated an argument against as they didn't want an artificial surface because its not attractive to watch football on it and would stop coming to watch
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Post by rovers16arfc on Jan 2, 2023 1:20:20 GMT
Nobody is dis agreeing with you but it isn't going to happen From lack of ambition and not looking for grants which would be approved especially with the community and adding in many more youth teams , how many clubs with an in the community do you know with more or less no football teams , stenhousemuir for an example have age groups from 5 all the way up to even an amateur side and over 35s team having all this and then applying for grants , even a loan would be paid back with 2 to 3 years with change to spare but again need ambition and proactive for something like this and as you said it won't happen not because of money but because of people being to scared of change. I even had to laugh a while back regarding the pa systems some fans complained asking for music to be turned down because it was too loud and couldn't hear each other to have a conversation , if you want to have a conversation go to a tearoom/coffee shop not a football ground and I know for a fact players want music louder when they are warming up it brings a good buzz when good music is being played too . And being in stand at the Airdrie end you can barely hear anything that even includes who subs are that are coming on or off.
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Post by tommysermanni on Jan 2, 2023 8:56:41 GMT
As much as I feel football should be played on grass a club like Rovers will not survive with a pitch being used once a fortnight and sitting dormant all summer.
I Look at Broxburn Athletic whose ground is in use 350 days of the year and generating money. Monday- Friday pitch is in use 1700-2000.
During the day they host walking football for over 50's and their pitch is hired out to everyone from Livingston reserves to Hibs Ladies under 16.
Colts teams use pitch throughout weekend for games in various age groups.
They were helped enormously by National Lottery grants. Is that something we can apply for ?
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Post by rovers16arfc on Jan 2, 2023 10:09:02 GMT
As much as I feel football should be played on grass a club like Rovers will not survive with a pitch being used once a fortnight and sitting dormant all summer. I Look at Broxburn Athletic whose ground is in use 350 days of the year and generating money. Monday- Friday pitch is in use 1700-2000. During the day they host walking football for over 50's and their pitch is hired out to everyone from Livingston reserves to Hibs Ladies under 16. Colts teams use pitch throughout weekend for games in various age groups. They were helped enormously by National Lottery grants. Is that something we can apply for ? if the club had a plan in place with a business plan with the help of the clubs new community officer there are lots of initiatives that he would be able to do without the worry of cutting up the park and it would be a lot more popular and would attract more children too. Also attracting girls and ladies teams which i think we should also be currently doing at the moment and rightly so with how popular the ladies game has become and would and should help with a national lottery grant if all these things are in place.In the future think of having a full system for boys from fun 4s all the way up to Reserve level and then having the exact same on the ladies side how great would that be bring developing players from youth level male and female to reaching levels of first team football which surely in itself would be a big attraction. We are also only An Sfa bronze level quality club we really should be bringing this up to a gold or platinum Level being a professional club and before anyone brings sarcastic comments again smaller clubs like burnbank , dunbeth even gartcairn and Holytown colts are gold and platinum Level clubs so again the higher our quality make is the more likely we can be accepted for bigger grants , there is no such thing as can't if we want success we need to work hard to achieve it and the only ones stopping it being successful is ourselves and the ones who are scared of change and this is a normal reaction being scared. Look at every small and even large successful companies as an example, every single one will have started off as just an idea with no money whatsoever and with help with grants or loans have turned into multi million , billon pound companies not I'm not saying we are going to become millionaire or billionaire club I'm just using as an example of what being brave and taking a leap of faith can achieve. Our clubs location is prime being in the centre of Coatbridge and its worth taking a calculated chance on as for certain it'll be extremely popular. So maybe this is all something development officer ross and the club can organise and seriously look into
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Post by chris on Jan 2, 2023 11:03:48 GMT
Nobody is dis agreeing with you but it isn't going to happen From lack of ambition and not looking for grants which would be approved especially with the community and adding in many more youth teams , how many clubs with an in the community do you know with more or less no football teams , stenhousemuir for an example have age groups from 5 all the way up to even an amateur side and over 35s team having all this and then applying for grants , even a loan would be paid back with 2 to 3 years with change to spare but again need ambition and proactive for something like this and as you said it won't happen not because of money but because of people being to scared of change. I even had to laugh a while back regarding the pa systems some fans complained asking for music to be turned down because it was too loud and couldn't hear each other to have a conversation , if you want to have a conversation go to a tearoom/coffee shop not a football ground and I know for a fact players want music louder when they are warming up it brings a good buzz when good music is being played too . And being in stand at the Airdrie end you can barely hear anything that even includes who subs are that are coming on or off. As I previously stated it was sll looked at and wasn't an option You seem to think its very simple, it's not, you don't just get a loan and pay it off after 2 years, that's not how finances work, grants don't just magically appear and pay for things either As I also said the plastic pitch wasn't the expensive part, there were groundwork to be done, new lighting to be installed, changing facilities to be installed, eople to be employed to maintain the pitch and run the facility, Your head is in the clouds here On another note if money is to be spent by the club it should be spent on the squad
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Post by rovers16arfc on Jan 2, 2023 11:41:39 GMT
From lack of ambition and not looking for grants which would be approved especially with the community and adding in many more youth teams , how many clubs with an in the community do you know with more or less no football teams , stenhousemuir for an example have age groups from 5 all the way up to even an amateur side and over 35s team having all this and then applying for grants , even a loan would be paid back with 2 to 3 years with change to spare but again need ambition and proactive for something like this and as you said it won't happen not because of money but because of people being to scared of change. I even had to laugh a while back regarding the pa systems some fans complained asking for music to be turned down because it was too loud and couldn't hear each other to have a conversation , if you want to have a conversation go to a tearoom/coffee shop not a football ground and I know for a fact players want music louder when they are warming up it brings a good buzz when good music is being played too . And being in stand at the Airdrie end you can barely hear anything that even includes who subs are that are coming on or off. As I previously stated it was sll looked at and wasn't an option You seem to think its very simple, it's not, you don't just get a loan and pay it off after 2 years, that's not how finances work, grants don't just magically appear and pay for things either As I also said the plastic pitch wasn't the expensive part, there were groundwork to be done, new lighting to be installed, changing facilities to be installed, eople to be employed to maintain the pitch and run the facility, Your head is in the clouds here On another note if money is to be spent by the club it should be spent on the squad Clearly never said it would be simple I stated it as a means to make money how can clubs for example like blackburn united, gartcairn ,easterhouse football academy manage to get 4g parks oh I forgot yeah they have big oil tycoons (obviously being sarcastic) They have got national lottery grants through hard work and ambition, something you Clearly don't seem to have with your head in the clouds , as your not even exactly suggesting anything as for paying a loan back you obviously have no faith either of how popular and how much income an artificial surface would actually make over 10 plus years and you just need to ask clubs who actually have them , more to the point the stadium barely passes safety inspections currently so do you not think it would be a good idea to actually do upgrades or would you rather the stadium gets ran to the ground to the stage where its deemed unsafe for public which will happen sooner rather than later
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Post by Alan Mulgrew on Jan 2, 2023 12:12:53 GMT
As I previously stated it was sll looked at and wasn't an option You seem to think its very simple, it's not, you don't just get a loan and pay it off after 2 years, that's not how finances work, grants don't just magically appear and pay for things either As I also said the plastic pitch wasn't the expensive part, there were groundwork to be done, new lighting to be installed, changing facilities to be installed, eople to be employed to maintain the pitch and run the facility, Your head is in the clouds here On another note if money is to be spent by the club it should be spent on the squad Clearly never said it would be simple I stated it as a means to make money how can clubs for example like blackburn united, gartcairn ,easterhouse football academy manage to get 4g parks oh I forgot yeah they have big oil tycoons (obviously being sarcastic) They have got national lottery grants through hard work and ambition, something you Clearly don't seem to have with your head in the clouds , as your not even exactly suggesting anything as for paying a loan back you obviously have no faith either of how popular and how much income an artificial surface would actually make over 10 plus years and you just need to ask clubs who actually have them , more to the point the stadium barely passes safety inspections currently so do you not think it would be a good idea to actually do upgrades or would you rather the stadium gets ran to the ground to the stage where its deemed unsafe for public which will happen sooner rather than later Unfortunately this comes back to my original point about the board being unfit for purpose and having their head in the sand and easing back in the forum this isn’t the only time they’ve been accused of being clueless and backwards - the board need someone with a bit of football know how on the BOD or they will be the reason the club folds not Brian not the fan’s volunteers or players. The current inhabitants of the board will forever be remembered as the people who killed Albion Rovers Football Club unless they take a long look and think if they’re doing enough because the feeling I get is there will be protests as the more they sit twirling their thumbs the closer the club is to unfortunately going down the route of not being here no more AM
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Post by rovers16arfc on Jan 2, 2023 13:03:01 GMT
Clearly never said it would be simple I stated it as a means to make money how can clubs for example like blackburn united, gartcairn ,easterhouse football academy manage to get 4g parks oh I forgot yeah they have big oil tycoons (obviously being sarcastic) They have got national lottery grants through hard work and ambition, something you Clearly don't seem to have with your head in the clouds , as your not even exactly suggesting anything as for paying a loan back you obviously have no faith either of how popular and how much income an artificial surface would actually make over 10 plus years and you just need to ask clubs who actually have them , more to the point the stadium barely passes safety inspections currently so do you not think it would be a good idea to actually do upgrades or would you rather the stadium gets ran to the ground to the stage where its deemed unsafe for public which will happen sooner rather than later Unfortunately this comes back to my original point about the board being unfit for purpose and having their head in the sand and easing back in the forum this isn’t the only time they’ve been accused of being clueless and backwards - the board need someone with a bit of football know how on the BOD or they will be the reason the club folds not Brian not the fan’s volunteers or players. The current inhabitants of the board will forever be remembered as the people who killed Albion Rovers Football Club unless they take a long look and think if they’re doing enough because the feeling I get is there will be protests as the more they sit twirling their thumbs the closer the club is to unfortunately going down the route of not being here no more AM Hi Alan I genuinely don't think there is any long term plan for the future I don't even think there is any plans for the future and it looks like week to week basis to me it looks like only a select few who are even suggesting ideas especially money making ones and the saying goes you need to speculate to accumulate its how the world works , you need ambition too which for some who have commented don't seem to have, why do people not like change or trying to progress so many keyboard warriors commenting being negative on this why does people not start make suggestions rather than shutting down any positive suggestion or does no one actually have a set to do so
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Post by stewmelrover on Jan 2, 2023 13:16:27 GMT
Where is 'New Rover' when we need him? Help us!!
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Post by bucky on Jan 2, 2023 13:40:58 GMT
4g or 5g has been looked at before including grant funding and the hitch was the club has to match the grant monies.i.e. It’s a 50% grant. Plus the pitch has to be relaid after 7-8 years. Personally I think the club has missed the boat on this as there are facilities at St Ambrose, St Andrews School, rawyards and Airdrie stadium.
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Post by rovers16arfc on Jan 2, 2023 14:19:08 GMT
4g or 5g has been looked at before including grant funding and the hitch was the club has to match the grant monies.i.e. It’s a 50% grant. Plus the pitch has to be relaid after 7-8 years. Personally I think the club has missed the boat on this as there are facilities at St Ambrose, St Andrews School, rawyards and Airdrie stadium. So rawyards and airdrie stadium is in airdrie there are none of quality and have you actually been at St Andrews school pitch lately which is dangerous and then st ambrose when was the last time you were at then , st ambrose Park is barely fit for purpose there are holes in nets , goalposts bent surface is ruined with chunks and holes on the parks you can't even see the lines and floodlights are out which have been complained about for months , your definitely blind if you think it wouldn't be popular and used every single day and its actually every 10 to 12 years parks need relayed but if you can think of another way to bring in a suit income please be my guest and make a suggestion rather than slating a proven means to bring in money also if it wasn't feesable where did all the clubs in the lower leagues and junior football get there funding from to put down artificial surfaces enlighten me if they can do it why can't we
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