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Post by The man with no name on Jul 18, 2023 23:27:27 GMT
Scotty lad very critical of some factors at the club, I think the general consensus is that there are teams in the leagues just now who don’t meet the criteria but will get a grace period to get it. So what’s ur suggestions pal as I said ur critical of the board etc so how would you move things forward? U seem like you’ve got the “hum haws” for it
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Post by scottgkc16 on Jul 19, 2023 0:22:09 GMT
For a start the reserves should be playing in a competitive league , bring on board the current youth teams that are already there that are only under the community banner bring them in as part of the club , start up an 18s and 20s teams. Which brings in more coaches which will increase the clubs quality mark if coaches have relevant badges. With increasing the quality mark brings in the opportunity for better grant funding to spend on youth development, develop players for the future. Board room level don't really know what they do especially financially not really my expertise, but on the stadium the stands really do need refurbished, the dugout stand really needs knocked down and possibly rebuilt, could one of the sponsors reigart potentially help with that. Could the stand behind the goal get some sort of shelter similar to that of bonnyrigg. Then the stone dugouts could that not be knocked down and replaced with a larger dugout which can be found very reasonably priced at mark harrod's sport store increasing the number of players who can sit in that instead of having to sit on terracing in a condemned stand that isn't suitable or safe for fans. There is so much potential at the ground and so much space thats not used why not utilise this bring in 2 or 3 containers and turn them into a hospitality area, hopefully the board are in the process of doing everything necessary to abtain the correct licensing by the beginning of next season and hopefully have the club back in league 2 , the management have recruited very well so far so credit where credits due and the manager will get the best out of every player as both him and his assistant are upthere with the best at this level.
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Post by The man with no name on Jul 19, 2023 21:45:02 GMT
Some good points well mate scottygk
Most all involve finances right enough knocking down stands etc I’m sure doesn’t come cheap. Making hospitality suites brilliant idea pal but is there a market for it? New dugouts with all the best will in the world I’d rather have new players added to the squad! Some of ur points are brilliant but I don’t no if the dosh is there to put them onto play right enough Ur clearly a man with knowledge why don’t u speak to the club about the commercial role? I’m sure u Cld bring in the “hum haws” the club is missing as u put it
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Post by scottgkc16 on Jul 21, 2023 9:09:59 GMT
Some good points well mate scottygk Most all involve finances right enough knocking down stands etc I’m sure doesn’t come cheap. Making hospitality suites brilliant idea pal but is there a market for it? New dugouts with all the best will in the world I’d rather have new players added to the squad! Some of ur points are brilliant but I don’t no if the dosh is there to put them onto play right enough Ur clearly a man with knowledge why don’t u speak to the club about the commercial role? I’m sure u Cld bring in the “hum haws” the club is missing as u put it Yeah I probably could bring in the hum haws as I put it but it's not a position I'm remotely interested in , as I'm only giving my opinions as I fan which I am allowed to do I should probably finish everything with I say with IMO so it's never construed in the wrong way.
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Post by bucky on Jul 21, 2023 9:40:21 GMT
Sounds like SPFL lifting up the drawbridge. It’s arbitrary figures plucked out from nowhere. Why not 75 seats or 200 seats, 200 covered area or 800?
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Post by weerabwatt on Jul 21, 2023 18:28:33 GMT
The club only achieved Entry Level in the most recent published list of SFA Licensing Awards and this seems to reinforce the malaise that currently hangs over the Club. Unfortunately, it is not only on the field of play that ARFC has declined. When Frank Meade became Chairman at the back end of 2005, outgoing Chairman, Andrew Dick, advised him that the Club would never attain Bronze Level. However, not only did we consistently achieve Bronze level over the following 9 years or so, we also achieved Silver Level in a number of the measured categories, including First Team standards, Medical Provision, Legal, Finance & a plethora of Club Policies. Indeed, only limitations around the standard of certain aspects of the aging stadium denied the Club full Silver status. During this period the pitch was also found to meet UEFA standards on gradient etc. While it is fair to say that the Licensing process focusses on continuous improvement, it is disappointing to note that the Club's attainment across all categories is now at the lowest possible level. We were still at Bronze level in 2013/14 when Frank left. The deterioration since then in the club's licensing performance has been stark. This has not happened overnight, so it would be unfair to point the finger at the current BOD. I am sure that it would be interesting to ascertain when the drop to Entry Level occurred, why it occurred, what was ultimately responsible for the decline to the current status. The SPFL's decision to 'change' the criteria for entry to Division 2 through the playoff process, with a minimum of Bronze Level necessary, effectively renders the pyramid meaningless in all but name. Very few Clubs with aspirations of making it to SPFL 2 will ever reach the Bronze level. ARFC surely can't be that far away from reinstating what Frank worked hard to achieve. Which areas need to be improved?
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Post by Calum Moore on Jul 21, 2023 18:36:36 GMT
The club only achieved Entry Level in the most recent published list of SFA Licensing Awards and this seems to reinforce the malaise that currently hangs over the Club. Unfortunately, it is not only on the field of play that ARFC has declined. When Frank Meade became Chairman at the back end of 2005, outgoing Chairman, Andrew Dick, advised him that the Club would never attain Bronze Level. However, not only did we consistently achieve Bronze level over the following 9 years or so, we also achieved Silver Level in a number of the measured categories, including First Team standards, Medical Provision, Legal, Finance & a plethora of Club Policies. Indeed, only limitations around the standard of certain aspects of the aging stadium denied the Club full Silver status. During this period the pitch was also found to meet UEFA standards on gradient etc. While it is fair to say that the Licensing process focusses on continuous improvement, it is disappointing to note that the Club's attainment across all categories is now at the lowest possible level. We were still at Bronze level in 2013/14 when Frank left. The deterioration since then in the club's licensing performance has been stark. This has not happened overnight, so it would be unfair to point the finger at the current BOD. I am sure that it would be interesting to ascertain when the drop to Entry Level occurred, why it occurred, what was ultimately responsible for the decline to the current status. The SPFL's decision to 'change' the criteria for entry to Division 2 through the playoff process, with a minimum of Bronze Level necessary, effectively renders the pyramid meaningless in all but name. Very few Clubs with aspirations of making it to SPFL 2 will ever reach the Bronze level. ARFC surely can't be that far away from reinstating what Frank worked hard to achieve. Which areas need to be improved? We need to achieve bronze in all categories including stadium - on their website the SFA have published the in-depth requirements of each level and what’s required The next review for the club is this September
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Post by weerabwatt on Jul 21, 2023 18:40:07 GMT
I understand the process, but it is unclear which categories ARFC has failed on, and it may just be a couple that will be rectified quite easily. If not, how and when did the decline take place?
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Post by weerabwatt on Jul 21, 2023 18:42:23 GMT
The recent SPFL decree has put this into sharp focus, but for how long has the club been at the lowest level, after such effort was put into almost achieving Silver Level??
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Post by Calum Moore on Jul 21, 2023 18:44:39 GMT
I understand the process, but it is unclear which categories ARFC has failed on, and it may just be a couple that will be rectified quite easily. If not, how and when did the decline take place? The rovers are entry in all the available categories according to the following document - www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/10719/280623-club-licensing-awards.pdf
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Post by weerabwatt on Jul 21, 2023 18:56:36 GMT
I haven't checked the document, but if it is as bad as you say, the club is &$%+*D.
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Post by Calum Moore on Jul 21, 2023 19:20:45 GMT
I haven't checked the document, but if it is as bad as you say, the club is &$%+*D. To get bronze we need to improve a whole host of areas including the stadium but I have a feeling it’ll cost an arm and a leg
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Post by arfcdm on Jul 21, 2023 20:28:48 GMT
So basically a pointless season ahead or am I reading this wrong?
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Post by tommysermanni on Jul 21, 2023 20:29:08 GMT
This is the most depressing post I have read in a long while but I thank Rab, Calum and Scott for some really pertinent points.
There was a certain inevitability about relegation but I for one was in complete denial about the decline of the Club off the field of play as well.
I suspected it but I didn't want to acknowledge it and instead put all my concentration into our doomed fight for survival.
God knows what the future holds for ARFC but it's not going to be a 1 season fix that's for sure.
Going to be a mammoth job to get things moving in the right direction both on and off the pitch.
What we need now is the people in place that have the vision and the fight to implement change.
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Post by Calum Moore on Jul 21, 2023 20:41:56 GMT
This is the most depressing post I have read in a long while but I thank Rab, Calum and Scott for some really pertinent points. There was a certain inevitability about relegation but I for one was in complete denial about the decline of the Club off the field of play as well. I suspected it but I didn't want to acknowledge it and instead put all my concentration into our doomed fight for survival. God knows what the future holds for ARFC but it's not going to be a 1 season fix that's for sure. Going to be a mammoth job to get things moving in the right direction both on and off the pitch. What we need now is the people in place that have the vision and the fight to implement change. It seems the only way to start progressing further and gaining the much needed investment is to resolve the share issue if that’s even possible I’m sure some of the legal minds on the forum could find a way even if it was as simple as creating a new company for the club
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