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Post by lorraines on Dec 26, 2020 20:11:33 GMT
Grant there have been a number of options regarding increasing the share holding that have been refused due to previous accountants putting these into “suspense” have left a Mr A Fagan as the majority shareholder of the club.
There have been shares that have been sold to laughable businessmen or photocopier sales men if memory serves correct that have since shown that they have the club at heart!!!!!
What do you wish the current board to do with no shareholder backing?
I am really at a loss knowing that there is no financial backing from majority shareholders where the club can move forward.
Why would people choose to invest in Albion Rovers when there is no gain? Surely this rules out any “businessmen”
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Post by Rovergrant on Dec 26, 2020 20:30:28 GMT
"Why would people choose to invest in Albion Rovers when there is no gain? Surely this rules out any “businessmen” `
Why would any businessmen want to become involved with ANY football club in Scotland...but many, many choose to do so in the knowledge that they will never make any gain ...why are Rovers any different ?. Maybe if that `photocopier salesman` still been involved we wouldnt be in this situation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 20:34:13 GMT
Why I rarely have a go at the board and those running the club is simply because of that one name. Fagan. As long as it is there the hands will be tied. Have to do better on manager appointments though.
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Post by lorraines on Dec 26, 2020 20:52:27 GMT
There was a vote at the AGM for the “businessman” that did not come to fruition perhaps because he did not even pay for those shares and the previous shareholder had to request the secretary to void this transaction tells you what type of businessman that was dealing with the club.
This was the type of businessman that was dealing with the club and perhaps shows you why the current situation has evolved!
People currently involved at the club are Rovers fans and whilst they are not business people we always have the club at heart not another agenda.
Again please feel free as fans and shareholders to suggest the way forward rather than have a pop that what has gone on before? .
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Post by hugh on Dec 26, 2020 21:10:29 GMT
Yes it was a terrible show today no way about it. Turning on the board and refering to past difficulties they faced i do feel is unfair.
It is the here and now that matters and but i have to agree with some of the comments though regarding Brian Reid. His track record even prior to arriving with us was not impressive so he has his limitations as a manager but it is the second division.
The manager wants to shore up the defence which surprises me a bit as it is not the only area of concern as we were ripped apart in the midfield.
I simply cannot see things improving at this time unless there are squad improvements.
Sorry to see Lewis Wilson was injured wish him a speedy recovery.
Should the manager be jettisoned ?
Jury is out for me but jacket is on a shakey hook.
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Post by lorraines on Dec 26, 2020 21:10:50 GMT
What I really want is new ideas at the club with substance to bring money to Albion Rovers and that is what we all want.
Albion Rovers FC
What can we do to keep this club alive? *
We all love the Rovers and that is in our heart
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Post by chris on Dec 26, 2020 22:02:04 GMT
The Buckie player who scored directly from the corner today v rovers has a brother who plays for kieth, who scored directly from a corner today also in scottish Cup v Hill of beath
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Post by jaydee on Dec 26, 2020 22:21:07 GMT
The Buckie player who scored directly from the corner today v rovers has a brother who plays for kieth, who scored directly from a corner today also in scottish Cup v Hill of beath Seen that on Twitter Chris. Crazy!
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Post by samtennentjnr on Dec 26, 2020 22:41:59 GMT
"Why would people choose to invest in Albion Rovers when there is no gain? Surely this rules out any “businessmen” ` Why would any businessmen want to become involved with ANY football club in Scotland...but many, many choose to do so in the knowledge that they will never make any gain ...why are Rovers any different ?. Maybe if that `photocopier salesman` still been involved we wouldnt be in this situation. I think the difference - if my understanding is correct which it might not be - is that at these other clubs they are at least able to actually buy the club and have a degree of ownership and control where as with us due to the issues with the Fagans etc nobody ever has control of the club anyone who comes in is working with hands tied behind their back. Ideally you would have a model with fans and "business" minded folk working together but I don't see these people lining up unfortunately. And as has been eluded to the last businessman that turned up sold himself an insanely expensive photocopier and ran off with the money - if he was still around your right we wouldn't be in this situation , we wouldn't exist. That said I dont think it matters what your background is anyone watching today can see we are in read trouble .Buckie are a good team so no harm to them, but we were so so poor today. Reid sets us up the same every week and we concede the exact same goals every week. We seemed like we were getting an experience manager but we've been sold a duffer. Embarrassing in the press and on the pitch. I see he's got some signings lined up but the question should be do we let him spend whats left in the budget or get someone else in before its too late.
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Post by Prof on Dec 26, 2020 22:53:37 GMT
Brechin are still below us in the League BTW 🤣🤣
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Post by bucky on Dec 27, 2020 1:02:14 GMT
There are a lot of good people at the club there is no doubt but I feel we are getting a little diverted here. The make up of the current shareholding isn’t a new one and has been an issue for previous Boards. The vast majority of shareholders don’t want to get involved with the club and the motives of Anton Fagan are a complete mystery. That being said it doesn’t mean the Board are above criticism- good ARFC people that they are. There are some who try to gaslight any criticism of the Board- the appointment of John Brogan later described as an experiment that went wrong in reality was one person on the infamous 3 man committee decided to wander down nostalgia lane.
The Board are accountable to shareholders- and the shareholders themselves are non active but can still wield their vote. It’s a vicious circle and one i empathise with. As a Board we need that balance between fan representation and business minded people plus a Board member who has serious football knowledge.
Our current issue to me is the chronic lack of leadership on the park and off it. The manager sheltered himself in the dugout in the first have so he wouldn’t get wet while his assistant did all the coaching. At least Brogan had the decency to resign. What did Reid do ? Throw his players under the bus and wait for it ...... he has a couple of crack centre halves lined up.
Rovers are not a sacking club and we basically have a silent Chairman. If we keep the manager it will end the same way when Brian Kerr was allowed to carry on.
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Post by Rovergrant on Dec 27, 2020 9:42:00 GMT
The Board are accountable to shareholders- and the shareholders themselves are non active but can still wield their vote. It’s a vicious circle and one i empathise with. As a Board we need that balance between fan representation and business minded people plus a Board member who has serious football knowledge. Exactly....for me the `ideal` BOD was along the lines of that which guided the Club to the Championship in 1989.....David Forrester (Chartered Accountant) Jack McGoogan (Lawyer) Robin Marwick (Professional architect - and lifelong Rovers fan), David Lyttle (Club Secretary and lifelong Rovers fan) and Sam Goodwin - (businessman and former professional footballer)
Quite why lorraines/blondie thinks it is helpful in our current dire situation to play out her personal animosity on this board against an individual is beyond me but at the same time fails to mention those who nearly killed the club with that `Wonga`loan.
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Post by bucky on Dec 27, 2020 10:02:08 GMT
A bit of respect for Lorraine please. It’s frustrating for people who help the Rovers behind the scenes as much of the work goes unnoticed and it’s always the same people doing a raft of jobs nobody wants.
As for Caldwell he was exposed for what he is. He was not the answer to ARFC.
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Post by samtennentjnr on Dec 27, 2020 10:37:03 GMT
The Board are accountable to shareholders- and the shareholders themselves are non active but can still wield their vote. It’s a vicious circle and one i empathise with. As a Board we need that balance between fan representation and business minded people plus a Board member who has serious football knowledge.
Quite why lorraines/blondie thinks it is helpful in our current dire situation to play out her personal animosity on this board against an individual is beyond me but at the same time fails to mention those who nearly killed the club with that `Wonga`loan.
I think the point around that person was to demonstrate that just someone is a "business" person doesn't mean they are a good business person. Same with the loan. As Bucky says we need that mix on the board , unfortunately at the moment we have not got that but that doesn't mean the fans who are keeping the club running should down tools does it ? In many ways they have been left holding the baby. Its a long term change thats needed to make the club attractive to anyone with those expertise to come in it starts with the Fagan issue which I have no idea how we resolve. the only person with the slightest intrest in the Rovers who could make them an offer they couldn't refuse is probably Mark Miller but again why would you spend that kind of time and money and bring that stress into your life. In the mid term there are people in and around the club who I think would be alot better suited to the Chairman role but again the fact of the matter is nobody wants it which is totally understandable. Short term - Reid must go.
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Post by lorraines on Dec 27, 2020 10:43:15 GMT
Thanks Bucky for your comments.
I would like to say I am not Blonde on this forum. I do not hide behind a user name.
What I am trying to get across is that the people that have been at the club/on the board do so as there are no alternatives and recent attempts to introduce new blood has been unsuccessful and in my opinion this is to do with the way that the club has been structured via shareholdings.
I would love someone to come into the club and take over and make it successful but who would put their money into the club that they cannot control?
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