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Post by jordancampbell on Jan 10, 2021 11:50:16 GMT
Surely the above is exactly the reason why we could hold Fagan and co’s feet to the fire, no? This football club has been in existence for 138 years and, essentially, the major shareholders are stifling interest and repelling potential investment by the attitude they’re adopting? Don’t think that quite correlates with the SFA’s ethos...
Let’s be realistic here, folks. If we played Dundee last night in the Scottish Cup we’d have been thrashed convincingly. Bonnyrigg and other like-minded clubs are precisely the reason why we can’t f*ck about. Sadly, our place if nothing is done, our place will be with ‘Shire and Berwick in the LL...and how many are sure we can survive such a fate?
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Post by samtennentjnr on Jan 10, 2021 15:52:48 GMT
I think we can survive the Lowland League - I just don't want to be there.
I think Ronnie's post raises the question - What are Fagan's ambitions/ reasons for having the shares and never engaging ?
Is it a family tradition thing ? Does he want money form selling the assets ? One day take over as chairman when he retires from the SFA ? - It can'd be a power &/or glory thing if he never engages.
Ultimately surely this just comes down to "everyone has got a price" there surely must be some way of opening up a line of communications and finding out what it is. Nobody is expecting someone who rightfully owns something to give it up out of the goodness of his heart.
We raised 25K last year from people who just wanted to help the club out, surely theres something out there to be done in getting some money together for maybe the trust making an offer to him for at least some of his shares ?
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Post by charlestheoptimist on Jan 10, 2021 17:03:51 GMT
After watching Dundee sneak past Bonnyrigg last night, it is self evident that the dynamics of Scottish football has changed dramatically since the inception of the lower league structure. This league now has a hard core of 6-8 clubs with sufficient financial clout and the ability to attract players who in the past would have been grateful for senior football in the second division. Sadly the old Corinthian spirit has gone and guys are happy to go to Kelty/Bonnyrigg/Boness etc rather than Rovers/Cowdenbeath/Annan etc as the rewards are greater. We need to embrace this new culture quickly if we are to survive long term in the senior ranks - and as said in earlier threads the whole finance of the club needs to be addressed in a positive and progressive way as the status quo is no option. The magnificent work by all the fans/volunteers/club officials etc over recent years to keep the club going is hard to sustain in present times- lets hope for some creative and innovative new people to be attracted to work with us all for the common good - an Albion Rovers Football club !
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Post by stewmelrover on Jan 10, 2021 18:58:46 GMT
Very sensible words Charles. I wonder where these clubs with quite considerable financial clout get it from? Agreed that the old days have gone and something needs to change for us somehow. But we have crowds of around 300. Oh, hang on, these well-off 'ambitious' clubs really don't attract that much more in terms of crowds... #Gretna
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Post by Rovergrant on Jan 10, 2021 19:41:04 GMT
David, Gretna were funded by one man....his plaything... when he died the club collapsed....
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Post by photomclean1 on Jan 10, 2021 20:05:44 GMT
Elephant in the room... Could the shareholders be waiting for the demise of the club and the sale of the ground?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 21:44:21 GMT
Course they are. Bl**dy vultures! 👎
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Post by chris on Jan 11, 2021 0:27:15 GMT
Elephant in the room... Could the shareholders be waiting for the demise of the club and the sale of the ground? The ground isn't worth as much as people think,
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Post by Rovergrant on Jan 11, 2021 9:00:28 GMT
Elephant in the room... Could the shareholders be waiting for the demise of the club and the sale of the ground? The ground isn't worth as much as people think, .......and big slug of money owed to NLC as well.....
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Post by mildrover on Jan 11, 2021 16:44:59 GMT
The ground isn't worth as much as people think, .......and big slug of money owed to NLC as well..... What big slug of money Grant? Are you referring to someone having to buy back the ransom strip from NLC if they wanted to develop the site? Ronnie
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Post by Rovergrant on Jan 11, 2021 19:08:18 GMT
No, Ronnie. Notes to Financial statements year end 30th June 2019 part 11 Contingent Liabilities. I quote from the published accounts on Companies House...." There is a contingent liability to North Lanarkshire Council for £22480. Payment of this amount is contingent on the sale of Cliftonhill Stadium. This relates to the cost of geological work carried out by North lanarkshire Council."
Grant
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Post by tommysermanni on Jan 12, 2021 7:42:09 GMT
After watching Dundee sneak past Bonnyrigg last night, it is self evident that the dynamics of Scottish football has changed dramatically since the inception of the lower league structure. This league now has a hard core of 6-8 clubs with sufficient financial clout and the ability to attract players who in the past would have been grateful for senior football in the second division. Sadly the old Corinthian spirit has gone and guys are happy to go to Kelty/Bonnyrigg/Boness etc rather than Rovers/Cowdenbeath/Annan etc as the rewards are greater. We need to embrace this new culture quickly if we are to survive long term in the senior ranks - and as said in earlier threads the whole finance of the club needs to be addressed in a positive and progressive way as the status quo is no option. The magnificent work by all the fans/volunteers/club officials etc over recent years to keep the club going is hard to sustain in present times- lets hope for some creative and innovative new people to be attracted to work with us all for the common good - an Albion Rovers Football club ! Must admit watched this game with The Fear running through my veins. Sure it was a one off cup game live on TV and Bonnyrigg's keeper had a blinder but it gives you an idea of the calibre of teams circling around Rovers/Brechin etc at the moment. We need some drastic changes to survive both on and off the field and right now I see no real desire for change anywhere around the Club. To me it seems as if out future is already mapped out and we are slowly coming to terms with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 9:06:23 GMT
With regards to the money owed to NLC if the ground is sold suspect that will only be an issue when the club goes to the wall and the assets are sold in truth. It is often said on here that we shouldn't dwell on the past and move forward but we can't as the ghost of rovers past haunts us and stops any progress. The end unfortunately maybe close as the decision to halt games on a rolling review may just be the final nail in the rovers coffin.
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Post by mildrover on Jan 12, 2021 9:14:19 GMT
After watching Dundee sneak past Bonnyrigg last night, it is self evident that the dynamics of Scottish football has changed dramatically since the inception of the lower league structure. This league now has a hard core of 6-8 clubs with sufficient financial clout and the ability to attract players who in the past would have been grateful for senior football in the second division. Sadly the old Corinthian spirit has gone and guys are happy to go to Kelty/Bonnyrigg/Boness etc rather than Rovers/Cowdenbeath/Annan etc as the rewards are greater. We need to embrace this new culture quickly if we are to survive long term in the senior ranks - and as said in earlier threads the whole finance of the club needs to be addressed in a positive and progressive way as the status quo is no option. The magnificent work by all the fans/volunteers/club officials etc over recent years to keep the club going is hard to sustain in present times- lets hope for some creative and innovative new people to be attracted to work with us all for the common good - an Albion Rovers Football club ! Must admit watched this game with The Fear running through my veins. Sure it was a one off cup game live on TV and Bonnyrigg's keeper had a blinder but it gives you an idea of the calibre of teams circling around Rovers/Brechin etc at the moment. We need some drastic changes to survive both on and off the field and right now I see no real desire for change anywhere around the Club. To me it seems as if out future is already mapped out and we are slowly coming to terms with it. The football world the Rovers inhabited changed forever 7 years ago with the introduction of the pyramid system which opened up a threat to the league existence of clubs like ours , East Stirling, Berwick, Cowdenbeath, Stranraer and others. Drastic change is required but it has to bring with it significant investment that is not tied to a debt burden. Ronnie
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Post by Rovergrant on Jan 12, 2021 10:27:38 GMT
The last time there was an existential threat to Rovers position in the League was back in 1964 when Rangers placed a proposal before the Scottish League to drop five clubs - Rovers, Stenny, Brechin, Berwick and Stranraer (from memory - someone correct me if I`m wrong). The `wee` clubs mounted a legal challenge and the proposal was finally shelved when Celtic said they would not support it.
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