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Post by d7 on Jun 14, 2018 17:41:54 GMT
So........... just in summary then. We've got Fish who's got some recent professional league experience. We've got some under 20's from various places - Motherwell, Hamilton, Alloa - I may have made some of those up. Everyone else - players, management, coaches, staff are from the juniors? Some, like the manager, have league experience but it's from a good few years ago in his case.
Is that right?
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Post by Rovergrant on Jun 14, 2018 18:51:44 GMT
This point of the pre-season is always a frustrating time for supporters, not really knowing who is coming (guess we know the `goings`) so it just a matter of wait and see.
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Post by paulrovers on Jun 14, 2018 20:08:14 GMT
This point of the pre-season is always a frustrating time for supporters, not really knowing who is coming (guess we know the `goings`) so it just a matter of wait and see. Sorry Grant, let’s be honest it’s a f**king shambles. A manager who has spent almost all of his managerial time in the junior leagues. A manager who is looking at a Mid table finish??? We have just been bloody relegated. His target should be to get Us back up the leagues not a mid table finish. Where’s the ambition of a mid table finish?! I understand money is tight but I’m sure there’s good senior players out there who would have came to rovers with the right man in charge of the team. I wouldn’t be surprised if season ticket sales go down with the current signing of youth players and a catalogue of junior league players. It’s all about ambition and this in my opinion with the signings etc shows massive lack of it.
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Post by tommysermanni on Jun 15, 2018 11:17:41 GMT
Think we have to give the manager and the players a chance. You can't write off the team pre-season because there will be several more players to come in.
I think a top half finish is a prudent and wise target. Our budget for this season has been slashed dramatically so it would be unwise if the manager came on talking of promotion straight back up.
I watch a fair bit of Junior/East Of Scotland League teams and there is no doubt that these leagues have players who can play in Division 2. The West Juniors will be no different.
I would rather have young, hungry Juniors with a point to prove than many of our team from last season who succumbed to relegation without a whimper.
The irony of paulrovers lamenting our signings from the Juniors whilst championing the return of John "The Pest" Gemmell all close season seems to be lost on him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 11:24:39 GMT
Think we have to give the manager and the players a chance. You can't write off the team pre-season because there will be several more players to come in. I think a top half finish is a prudent and wise target. Our budget for this season has been slashed dramatically so it would be unwise if the manager came on talking of promotion straight back up. I watch a fair bit of Junior/East Of Scotland League teams and there is no doubt that these leagues have players who can play in Division 2. The West Juniors will be no different. I would rather have young, hungry Juniors with a point to prove than many of our team from last season who succumbed to relegation without a whimper. The irony of paulrovers lamenting our signings from the Juniors whilst championing the return of John "The Pest" Gemmell all close season seems to be lost on him. Spot on, a young hungry team with players eager to make a name for themselves in league 2 is exactly what we need after last year. Last year we were so lightweight and fragile I would like to see a robust team and junior players can offer that. I for one keen to see how this squad get on.
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Post by paulrovers on Jun 15, 2018 12:05:50 GMT
I’ve not said they won’t get a chance. But the appointment or the youth players signed doesn’t inspire me or fill me with confidence.
If we are signing players to achieve mid table then that’s bullsh*t. Who wants to finished mid table in anything they do?? If we are signing players because that’s what they can achieve then that’s not guys to be at any football team.
The target before any ball is kicked should be to win the league, not mid table. You want to be the best in everything you do, not be middle of the road.
What is the ambition for Albion Rovers this season.. does that really sit right with people to finish mid table before a ball is kicked?
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Post by tommysermanni on Jun 15, 2018 12:17:32 GMT
We are signing players WITHIN OUR BUDGET who the manager feels can stabilise a team that has been in free fall.
If those players win the league then great but it would be foolish for the manager to come out before a ball is kicked and say we are going straight back up.
If you want to be angry at someone the squad and manager from last season is probably a more appropriate target.
They knew how important survival was and they fluffed it big time.
It's a new era and a new team. We have to accept that. Slagging off players you have not actually seen play is not the way ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 12:20:06 GMT
I’ve not said they won’t get a chance. But the appointment or the youth players signed doesn’t inspire me or fill me with confidence. If we are signing players to achieve mid table then that’s bullsh*t. Who wants to finished mid table in anything they do?? If we are signing players because that’s what they can achieve then that’s not guys to be at any football team. The target before any ball is kicked should be to win the league, not mid table. You want to be the best in everything you do, not be middle of the road. What is the ambition for Albion Rovers this season.. does that really sit right with people to finish mid table before a ball is kicked? I think everyone wants to win but we need to be realistic at the same time. What your underestimating is how hard this league can be to win. It’s not a gimme and every club will want to make their mark. Saying we should be putting together a league winning/promotion challenging team on a show string budget is nieve(if that’s how you spell it) and not taking into account the toughness of the league. Yes winning is what we all want but three or four titles in our history indicate it’s not easy. Plus when we do win it makes it that bit more special because it’s not expected
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Post by stewmelrover on Jun 15, 2018 12:20:44 GMT
Jesus Christ Almighty: Brogan must go, and he hasn't even had a match yet. FFS.
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Post by arfcdm on Jun 15, 2018 12:21:03 GMT
From my point of view the managers appointment wasn't inspiring. Not because hes came from the juniors, but more to do with it being 22 years since hes been in senior football. The choice of players so far doesn't inspire much either, however being realistic we are probably shopping where we can afford to shop. I'm sure if the manager could afford Messi he would want him. So despite the initial lack of inspirational signings, I for one am hoping these boys we have taken on are given a chance and put a bit more effort than the crowd last year. 100% effort is all thats asked.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 13:42:24 GMT
The bottom line in this thread is we can either have a Rovers team on a shoestring budget or have no team to support at all and this is basically down to spending more on wages than we can afford, over the past few years, even last year, I mean all the regulars at the games can see how poor the crowds are and surely must realise that after things like complimentary tickets come of , the actual amount paying in is not a lot , and as for attracting certain so called better players, well they just don't want to play for us no matter what league we are in and that is the sad fact of the matter so I would say get right behind the new manager and players that do sign for us , and want to play for us because they certainly deserve our support if they are giving their all for the club.
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Post by charlestheoptimist on Jun 15, 2018 14:09:54 GMT
We really need to see how the league pans out before making any judgements. All the other teams in the league have also transformed themselves from last season and it will be a level playing field , compared to what we were used to in the last couple of the seasons. The exception may be Peterhead who will probably start in pole position when the whistles blow on the 4th August. I agree that a fresh hungry set of lads who are not used to the type of opposition we will face , should be eager an keen to get stuck in and that offers hope . Often in the past we had big names who expected just to turn up and strut around for 90 minutes and it was job done. With a new squad and backroom staff we have a chance for a fresh challenge and we could surprise the pundits as the season progresses.We only have to look at Montrose to see the transformation when they changed their entire squad from the depths of despair they faced a couple of seasons ago.
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Post by alasdair1946 on Jun 15, 2018 14:38:45 GMT
As a long time supporter I will continue to do that, whatever the shortcomings of the players & management. I do think John Brogan is a good choice, as he's played for the Rovers, was one of our best scorers, so he does have a personal connection with the club. Although he's said top half, you can bet your bottom dollar he'll want to get off to a good start and if that happens, he'll not say "well right lads, we're in the top half now, so lets slacken off a bit." He was always an extremely competitive player and having the chance to achieve something with a club where, as player he had success, he'll show the same spirit. I know this might sound like false optimism, but I still agree wholeheartedly with you, Charles.
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Post by d7 on Jun 15, 2018 16:43:43 GMT
Not sure I would have expressed it quite as explicitly as Paul but he makes a lot of good points that I agree with. Mid-table I think is fair and I'd rather we aimed for that and over achieved than come out with some nonsense about yeah we're going for the title and then fall short; well short.
Last year we had a decent (on paper) group who were supplemented by youths and guys from Clyde and EK (who didn't look great on paper). That proved disastrous. This year we (on paper again) have recruited from an even lower 'standard' if you like and don't have the nucleus of any decent experience.
Obviously I'm not judging the guys before I've even seen them play. I'm just stating the obvious that now might be a good time to start managing our expectations. If this really is all we can afford and the LL and beyond is our destiny then I suppose only time will tell.
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Post by Prof on Jun 15, 2018 17:58:40 GMT
This point of the pre-season is always a frustrating time for supporters, not really knowing who is coming (guess we know the `goings`) so it just a matter of wait and see. Sorry Grant, let’s be honest it’s a f**king shambles. A manager who has spent almost all of his managerial time in the junior leagues. A manager who is looking at a Mid table finish??? We have just been bloody relegated. His target should be to get Us back up the leagues not a mid table finish. Where’s the ambition of a mid table finish?! I understand money is tight but I’m sure there’s good senior players out there who would have came to rovers with the right man in charge of the team. I wouldn’t be surprised if season ticket sales go down with the current signing of youth players and a catalogue of junior league players. It’s all about ambition and this in my opinion with the signings etc shows massive lack of it. Paul putting the bait out and on the wind up again😁😁 Not rising to it yet as not drunk at the moment 😂🤣
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