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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 16:13:06 GMT
No. The club need to develop young players. That's the secondary strategy that co exists with the primary goal. The first team is a priority, I would be raging if we cur the 1st team budget to put it into youth, think your sticking up for your mate Caldwell here, was he not the co-coach of u19's The youth system was the first thing to go to save money years ago when Frank Meade took charge, it was identified as a black hole for money straight away. Let's look at things a totally different way to stop a debate turning into an argument. Say the club was looking to set up a youth system where would the money come from? And Frank Meade paid off a £500,000 liability to HMRC. Yep, half a million. Work back from that.
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Post by chris on May 12, 2019 16:14:45 GMT
He texted e-mailed several people constantly for weeks before throwing a tantrum when questioned why he would buy a scarfe from somwhere that had nothing to do with the club No he didnt. He presented a paper to the board, congratulated them on the work they were doing and then disappeared. I think he knows who "H" is from Line of Duty. Hence the silence. No he made it well known he wasnt happy, the club hadn't to use his articles in future programs and he wouldn't be back
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 16:15:08 GMT
I guess it would depend on how you went about it. If you put your ideas forward constructively then that surprises me. If however you just had pops at the club without actually putting forward anything of substance like on this thread then it’s not surprising 🤔😂 I beg your pardon. Seriously, I beg you pardon. Your move.
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Post by chris on May 12, 2019 16:16:49 GMT
The first team is a priority, I would be raging if we cur the 1st team budget to put it into youth, think your sticking up for your mate Caldwell here, was he not the co-coach of u19's The youth system was the first thing to go to save money years ago when Frank Meade took charge, it was identified as a black hole for money straight away. Let's look at things a totally different way to stop a debate turning into an argument. Say the club was looking to set up a youth system where would the money come from? And Frank Meade paid off a £500,000 liability to HMRC. Yep, half a million. Work back from that. Yes and one of the biggest things to get the money was to get rid of the youth set up in hindsight very good decision I ask again where is the money coming g from
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Post by Rovergrant on May 12, 2019 16:17:44 GMT
ProRege,nobody around Cliftonhill now want to know about Frank or Robert Watt (who loaned the club - interest free £75K - to keep out of trouble) - pity we have no one of their calibre around now.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 16:19:24 GMT
No he didnt. He presented a paper to the board, congratulated them on the work they were doing and then disappeared. I think he knows who "H" is from Line of Duty. Hence the silence. No he made it well known he wasnt happy, the club hadn't to use his articles in future programs and he wouldn't be back Oh dear. The closed shop makes another appearance. Next it'll be the Russians shooting their own soldiers for not being shot be the Germans. #itstimeforchange
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 16:20:57 GMT
And Frank Meade paid off a £500,000 liability to HMRC. Yep, half a million. Work back from that. Yes and one of the biggest things to get the money was to get rid of the youth set up in hindsight very good decision I ask again where is the money coming g from Yep. Because it was costing £500k. May I ask, do you have access to a calculator?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 16:23:52 GMT
ProRege,nobody around Cliftonhill now want to know about Frank or Robert Watt (who loaned the club - interest free £75K - to keep out of trouble) - pity we have no one of their calibre around now. Grant you are correct. The current board mix is unbalanced. Order will be restored.
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Post by chris on May 12, 2019 16:32:30 GMT
Yes and one of the biggest things to get the money was to get rid of the youth set up in hindsight very good decision I ask again where is the money coming g from Yep. Because it was costing £500k. May I ask, do you have access to a calculator? You seem to know alot of numbers for somone who started coming to games last season, once again what you are saying your logic and numbers by the way, is we had to pay £500000 to HMRC but now that's paid off so we have £500000 to spend on youth football systems. If we have £500000 sitting about I can think of many other ways to spend it and want to know where this money is
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 16:37:32 GMT
Yep. Because it was costing £500k. May I ask, do you have access to a calculator? You seem to know alot of numbers for somone who started coming to games last season, once again what you are saying your logic and numbers by the way, is we had to pay £500000 to HMRC but now that's paid off so we have £500000 to spend on youth football systems. If we have £500000 sitting about I can think of many other ways to spend it and want to know where this money is Chris,I have the magically, dont tell anyone, ability to read. Yes, season ticket holder last season but born and bred in the brigg for 47 years. Disappointed with the some aspects of how the town has developed and, obviously, the current state of our football club. Here to help.
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Post by jaydee on May 12, 2019 16:42:33 GMT
Seriously, I beg you pardon. Your move. What? Are you saying you don’t constantly have a pop at the club or board? Are you saying you have laid out a well thought out rationale on how the club could bring about a youth set up in the current financial climate without having a detrimental effect on the first team finances? If you have, then I must have missed that post and would love for you to highlight it again. If you haven’t perhaps you could. Your move.
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Post by Rovergrant on May 12, 2019 16:45:15 GMT
Yep. Because it was costing £500k. May I ask, do you have access to a calculator? You seem to know alot of numbers for somone who started coming to games last season, once again what you are saying your logic and numbers by the way, is we had to pay £500000 to HMRC but now that's paid off so we have £500000 to spend on youth football systems. If we have £500000 sitting about I can think of many other ways to spend it and want to know where this money is Chris, it was £500K of debt......paying it off doesn`t mean there is magically £500K to spend. Accountancy doesn`t work that way. You have just taken a massive liability of the balance sheet
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 16:53:18 GMT
God lads! Your fingers must be agony.
I’ll try answer the questions that I can remember and put my ten bobs worth in.
The reason players have to play as a trialist for the 1st or Reserves is because we are an SYFA club (boys club) which if u want to go by official paperwork, we are not part of the club, however it’s clear for the past two seasons we have been accepted as part of a player pathway for the club, you’ll find on social media the official page mention us, the media guy also made as a “seeking new players poster” which stated we are affiliated to the club. So it’s not a mad quest that we’ve just attached ourselves to them. In many respects it has worked well.
In reference to Jaydee’s statement that whenever asked I was pleased at the involvement of Reserves team manager etc which is true I was and at the early stage and the most part of the season it’s been better than last. However when I get complete undermined (TWICE) when a player asks to leave the U19s - I release them - they then are in way Reserves. No one in my position would be happy way that, and anyone that says there is nothing wrong with that then they need their head looked at, what does that say to the rest of my lads. Up until recently it has been a-shambles, as I said in my first statement I thanked you personally for all the work, Bryan Wharton was the only 1st team to come help the lads, as I speak with Bryan I thanked him for that too.
Chris in reference to ur question, in regards to the players a few will obvs leave with me and all my coaching staff are.
I have seen a few posts as well, saying the club can’t afford a youth policy. Just for the record we didn’t cost a thing. Last season, we had two first team apps and 14 U20s apps, this season, 1 first app and 6 Reserves team apps. For a team that doesn’t cost the club money, imo that’s not a bad return if it was manager properly and I’m not finger point but you would think the pathway from U19s to Reserves and to first team would be more respected.
I text both Ronnie and Eddie that we would be leaving, Ronnie personally text back wishing me and thanked me for all our hard work.
But the sad state of affairs is, having spoken to the other community coaches and if u add it all up there is like 90/100 kids (how many of them could be potential rovers fans) X-amount of coaches. They all want to leave the club umbrella so to speak. I went to watch my best mate play for Forfar Athletic yesterday. They have a small growing band of young fans there is like 20/30 off them, I was speaking to a someone about them asked them how that wee band of fans were now as they weren’t last season. Apparently that came from their community involvement and they young lads have their parents etc at the games too.
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Post by chris on May 12, 2019 16:53:31 GMT
You seem to know alot of numbers for somone who started coming to games last season, once again what you are saying your logic and numbers by the way, is we had to pay £500000 to HMRC but now that's paid off so we have £500000 to spend on youth football systems. If we have £500000 sitting about I can think of many other ways to spend it and want to know where this money is Chris, it was £500K of debt......paying it off doesn`t mean there is magically £500K to spend. Accountancy doesn`t work that way. You have just taken a massive liability of the balance sheet But pro reg who let's be honest knows a hell of alot more about this sort of stuff than most of us ever will has said we paid off HMRC (8/9 years ago) so now the money is there to set up a youth system You know what the club is like with money better than pro reg I cant believe you agree that we need a youth set up
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 16:57:00 GMT
Seriously, I beg you pardon. Your move. What? Are you saying you don’t constantly have a pop at the club or board? Are you saying you have laid out a well thought out rationale on how the club could bring about a youth set up in the current financial climate without having a detrimental effect on the first team finances? If you have, then I must have missed that post and would love for you to highlight it again. If you haven’t perhaps you could. Your move. No. I say I have paid my money and want my return. Have you? And I have a well thought out plan to improve finances. Have you?
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