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Post by chris on May 12, 2019 17:02:42 GMT
God lads! Your fingers must be agony. I’ll try answer the questions that I can remember and put my ten bobs worth in. The reason players have to play as a trialist for the 1st or Reserves is because we are an SYFA club (boys club) which if u want to go by official paperwork, we are not part of the club, however it’s clear for the past two seasons we have been accepted as part of a player pathway for the club, you’ll find on social media the official page mention us, the media guy also made as a “seeking new players poster” which stated we are affiliated to the club. So it’s not a mad quest that we’ve just attached ourselves to them. In many respects it has worked well. In reference to Jaydee’s statement that whenever asked I was pleased at the involvement of Reserves team manager etc which is true I was and at the early stage and the most part of the season it’s been better than last. However when I get complete undermined (TWICE) when a player asks to leave the U19s - I release them - they then are in way Reserves. No one in my position would be happy way that, and anyone that says there is nothing wrong with that then they need their head looked at, what does that say to the rest of my lads. Up until recently it has been a-shambles, as I said in my first statement I thanked you personally for all the work, Bryan Wharton was the only 1st team to come help the lads, as I speak with Bryan I thanked him for that too. Chris in reference to ur question, in regards to the players a few will obvs leave with me and all my coaching staff are. I have seen a few posts as well, saying the club can’t afford a youth policy. Just for the record we didn’t cost a thing. Last season, we had two first team apps and 14 U20s apps, this season, 1 first app and 6 Reserves team apps. For a team that doesn’t cost the club money, imo that’s not a bad return if it was manager properly and I’m not finger point but you would think the pathway from U19s to Reserves and to first team would be more respected. I text both Ronnie and Eddie that we would be leaving, Ronnie personally text back wishing me and thanked me for all our hard work. But the sad state of affairs is, having spoken to the other community coaches and if u add it all up there is like 90/100 kids (how many of them could be potential rovers fans) X-amount of coaches. They all want to leave the club umbrella so to speak. I went to watch my best mate play for Forfar Athletic yesterday. They have a small growing band of young fans there is like 20/30 off them, I was speaking to a someone about them asked them how that wee band of fans were now as they weren’t last season. Apparently that came from their community involvement and they young lads have their parents etc at the games too. Yes Josh that's the point I was making yous dont cost the club anything as you are effectively a boys club and not officially linked to the club but have a pathway for the few who are good enough to get into senior football. Honestly with fans coming from youth teams I doubt it would happen with rovers as we are far too close to parkhead and ibrox. I reckon we are same distance to them as forfar are to the nearest senior clubs which are Montrose arbroath and brechin. And to be brutal when David Caldwell was sorting the umbrella stuff out and approaching the local boys clubs I never thought it would work which is why boys clubs like burnbank milan and dunbeath all said no to being involved the agreed, not surprised they want to leave
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Post by Rovergrant on May 12, 2019 17:04:10 GMT
Chris, it was £500K of debt......paying it off doesn`t mean there is magically £500K to spend. Accountancy doesn`t work that way. You have just taken a massive liability of the balance sheet But pro reg who let's be honest knows a hell of alot more about this sort of stuff than most of us ever will has said we paid off HMRC (8/9 years ago) so now the money is there to set up a youth system You know what the club is like with money better than pro reg I cant believe you agree that we need a youth set up Chris, a youth set up can be self funding.....just like EK. The money paid off to HMRC (to avoid a winding up order btw) does not mean that this releases funds for other things, As I said accountancy doesn`t work that way. There is a difference between a P & L and a Balance sheet.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 17:15:19 GMT
God lads! Your fingers must be agony. I’ll try answer the questions that I can remember and put my ten bobs worth in. The reason players have to play as a trialist for the 1st or Reserves is because we are an SYFA club (boys club) which if u want to go by official paperwork, we are not part of the club, however it’s clear for the past two seasons we have been accepted as part of a player pathway for the club, you’ll find on social media the official page mention us, the media guy also made as a “seeking new players poster” which stated we are affiliated to the club. So it’s not a mad quest that we’ve just attached ourselves to them. In many respects it has worked well. In reference to Jaydee’s statement that whenever asked I was pleased at the involvement of Reserves team manager etc which is true I was and at the early stage and the most part of the season it’s been better than last. However when I get complete undermined (TWICE) when a player asks to leave the U19s - I release them - they then are in way Reserves. No one in my position would be happy way that, and anyone that says there is nothing wrong with that then they need their head looked at, what does that say to the rest of my lads. Up until recently it has been a-shambles, as I said in my first statement I thanked you personally for all the work, Bryan Wharton was the only 1st team to come help the lads, as I speak with Bryan I thanked him for that too. Chris in reference to ur question, in regards to the players a few will obvs leave with me and all my coaching staff are. I have seen a few posts as well, saying the club can’t afford a youth policy. Just for the record we didn’t cost a thing. Last season, we had two first team apps and 14 U20s apps, this season, 1 first app and 6 Reserves team apps. For a team that doesn’t cost the club money, imo that’s not a bad return if it was manager properly and I’m not finger point but you would think the pathway from U19s to Reserves and to first team would be more respected. I text both Ronnie and Eddie that we would be leaving, Ronnie personally text back wishing me and thanked me for all our hard work. But the sad state of affairs is, having spoken to the other community coaches and if u add it all up there is like 90/100 kids (how many of them could be potential rovers fans) X-amount of coaches. They all want to leave the club umbrella so to speak. I went to watch my best mate play for Forfar Athletic yesterday. They have a small growing band of young fans there is like 20/30 off them, I was speaking to a someone about them asked them how that wee band of fans were now as they weren’t last season. Apparently that came from their community involvement and they young lads have their parents etc at the games too. Yes Josh that's the point I was making yous dont cost the club anything as you are effectively a boys club and not officially linked to the club but have a pathway for the few who are good enough to get into senior football. Honestly with fans coming from youth teams I doubt it would happen with rovers as we are far too close to parkhead and ibrox. I reckon we are same distance to them as forfar are to the nearest senior clubs which are Montrose arbroath and brechin. And to be brutal when David Caldwell was sorting the umbrella stuff out and approaching the local boys clubs I never thought it would work which is why boys clubs like burnbank milan and dunbeath all said no to being involved the agreed, not surprised they want to leave Yep we're all too close to Celtic park and Ibrox #boring. It's just too much of an effort.
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Post by chris on May 12, 2019 17:15:42 GMT
But pro reg who let's be honest knows a hell of alot more about this sort of stuff than most of us ever will has said we paid off HMRC (8/9 years ago) so now the money is there to set up a youth system You know what the club is like with money better than pro reg I cant believe you agree that we need a youth set up Chris, a youth set up can be self funding.....just like EK. The money paid off to HMRC (to avoid a winding up order btw) does not mean that this releases funds for other things, As I said accountancy doesn`t work that way. There is a difference between a P & L and a Balance sheet.
I have never heard af an amateur team or boys club who arnt in debt or struggle for funds no club is self funding the bigger you are the harder it is Pro reg grant says you are wrong too so where does the money come from Grant if there was money would you set up a youth system or spend on 1st team/stadium/running costs because that's what it would come down to
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 17:20:23 GMT
Chris, a youth set up can be self funding.....just like EK. The money paid off to HMRC (to avoid a winding up order btw) does not mean that this releases funds for other things, As I said accountancy doesn`t work that way. There is a difference between a P & L and a Balance sheet.
I have never heard af an amateur team or boys club who arnt in debt or struggle for funds no club is self funding the bigger you are the harder it is Pro reg grant says you are wrong too so where does the money come from Grant if there was money would you set up a youth system or spend on 1st team/stadium/running costs because that's what it would come down to For the love of dogs put Chris out of his misery. You can achieve all just takes ambition
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Post by chris on May 12, 2019 17:23:12 GMT
Yes Josh that's the point I was making yous dont cost the club anything as you are effectively a boys club and not officially linked to the club but have a pathway for the few who are good enough to get into senior football. Honestly with fans coming from youth teams I doubt it would happen with rovers as we are far too close to parkhead and ibrox. I reckon we are same distance to them as forfar are to the nearest senior clubs which are Montrose arbroath and brechin. And to be brutal when David Caldwell was sorting the umbrella stuff out and approaching the local boys clubs I never thought it would work which is why boys clubs like burnbank milan and dunbeath all said no to being involved the agreed, not surprised they want to leave Yep we're all too close to Celtic park and Ibrox #boring. It's just too much of an effort. That's what people in coatbridge think, they want to goto parkhead and ibrox they dont want to goto the rovers I know this I grew up here I live here my friends are from here and think this way and teach their kids to think this way, if you think I'm wrong go talk to the people in pubs and in the town, they look down their nose at us ask them what they think of us "the rovers there shite" is the usual response get a grip on reality. The rovers dont need to start a youth system to try get new fans. They need to concentrate on keeping the ones they have, why try attracylt a kisld who might come a few times and never be back, try keep people like me happy and the fans that are here happy because then I will bring my kids jd brings his kids even prof brings his kids
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Post by chris on May 12, 2019 17:24:25 GMT
I have never heard af an amateur team or boys club who arnt in debt or struggle for funds no club is self funding the bigger you are the harder it is Pro reg grant says you are wrong too so where does the money come from Grant if there was money would you set up a youth system or spend on 1st team/stadium/running costs because that's what it would come down to For the love of dogs put Chris out of his misery. You can achieve all just takes ambition Your a businessman you know that's not true
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Post by jaydee on May 12, 2019 17:25:07 GMT
What? Are you saying you don’t constantly have a pop at the club or board? Are you saying you have laid out a well thought out rationale on how the club could bring about a youth set up in the current financial climate without having a detrimental effect on the first team finances? If you have, then I must have missed that post and would love for you to highlight it again. If you haven’t perhaps you could. Your move. No. I say I have paid my money and want my return. Have you? And I have a well thought out plan to improve finances. Have you? It’s great that you have paid money into the club with your sponsorship and season ticket and I would imagine that keeping the management team and the core of the squad together will ensure you get a better return this season. I don’t have no, but I don’t need one. I trust that the current board will (if they feel the need) bring the correct people in who are doing it for the correct reasons.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 17:46:41 GMT
For the love of dogs put Chris out of his misery. You can achieve all just takes ambition Your a businessman you know that's not true That's how the world changes. Look around. With your view we couldn't get out of the caves.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 17:54:22 GMT
No. I say I have paid my money and want my return. Have you? And I have a well thought out plan to improve finances. Have you? It’s great that you have paid money into the club with your sponsorship and season ticket and I would imagine that keeping the management team and the core of the squad together will ensure you get a better return this season. I don’t have no, but I don’t need one. I trust that the current board will (if they feel the need) bring the correct people in who are doing it for the correct reasons. Oh, you dont. Then, whoomp there it is. Try pumping your money into the 41st Professional team in Scotland after being told great things are happening. They clearly aren't, full stop. I can see the writing on the wall and you can. Difference is, I can post about it. So, youth teams, commercial, boards etc if you dont adapt you die. End of. Why do I care? Whether I like it or not, Coatbridge until I die. Over to you.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 20:02:27 GMT
Yep we're all too close to Celtic park and Ibrox #boring. It's just too much of an effort. That's what people in coatbridge think, they want to goto parkhead and ibrox they dont want to goto the rovers I know this I grew up here I live here my friends are from here and think this way and teach their kids to think this way, if you think I'm wrong go talk to the people in pubs and in the town, they look down their nose at us ask them what they think of us "the rovers there shite" is the usual response get a grip on reality. The rovers dont need to start a youth system to try get new fans. They need to concentrate on keeping the ones they have, why try attracylt a kisld who might come a few times and never be back, try keep people like me happy and the fans that are here happy because then I will bring my kids jd brings his kids even prof brings his kids Oh dear, oh dear. Says it all really.
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Post by bucky on May 13, 2019 9:35:46 GMT
I have never heard af an amateur team or boys club who arnt in debt or struggle for funds no club is self funding the bigger you are the harder it is Pro reg grant says you are wrong too so where does the money come from Grant if there was money would you set up a youth system or spend on 1st team/stadium/running costs because that's what it would come down to For the love of dogs put Chris out of his misery. You can achieve all just takes ambition "just ambition" ......erm. Ambition costs money. What you call lack of ambition I call a healthy scrutiny. Forgive us but we've heard it all before. Devlin compared Rovers to a chinese restaurant . All the talk is very light on substance from what I can see. You do Caldwell's bidding for him pretty well if that's any consolation.
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Post by bucky on May 13, 2019 9:38:20 GMT
Again with all due respect they arnt part of the club officially so why would they, would they say thanks to the manager of any other boys clubs in coatbridge? Yet we were part of the club when we were giving players to the U20s last season & Reserves/1st team. Not part of club when they have been giving us kit. So to compare us to “any other boys club” around coatbridge. It’s disrespectful to my team and the purpose it served for two years. It’s also complete ignorance towards my team. Only when negative news comes along we are no longer part of it. Shambles, and it’s that lack of gratitude and major ignornace as to why we are leaving. Many thanks for all your hard work Josh. I'm really sorry how things ended for you at Rovers
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 10:06:18 GMT
Yet we were part of the club when we were giving players to the U20s last season & Reserves/1st team. Not part of club when they have been giving us kit. So to compare us to “any other boys club” around coatbridge. It’s disrespectful to my team and the purpose it served for two years. It’s also complete ignorance towards my team. Only when negative news comes along we are no longer part of it. Shambles, and it’s that lack of gratitude and major ignornace as to why we are leaving. Many thanks for all your hard work Josh. I'm really sorry how things ended for you at Rovers Thanks Bucky, thats just football mate. The show goes on. I hope after this season the club have a plan to go forward and avoid what could have been this season.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 13:40:07 GMT
Didn't realise that so many people cared about this, it gives me hope.
Scrolled through it all and some facts:-
-there are youth teams using rovers name and badge, and if they ask club will help in a small way.
- club dont own the teams that's why club needs to do the trialist thing.
- club have no intention of taking control of a youth/community project.
-u19 manager is leaving and if someone replaces him great but if not club are not prepared to be involved.
- Nobody knows when we will produce any young players, so we need to continue and probably pay over the odds for players in short contracts. Unfortunately meaning never getting a "rovers" man in the team.
-There are plenty of clubs with nothing below 1st team, I just thought the people of Coatbridge deserve a real community club.
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