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Post by k70 on Sept 14, 2018 21:01:01 GMT
Guff!
hot air, 'propoganda' and self promotion rather than anything realistic / positive is what it appears to be.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 9:30:55 GMT
It's interesting to see how many people are becoming disinterested in the club. Others want to support a failing board and others don't trust anyone whos not a life long fan?
Where ever you sit on this debate I would suggest you just sit back and watch a slow death.
Some will soon get their wishes when Brogan is sacked. The board itself will delay any AGM to stay in power that bit longer, then will seek share voting support from those who elect the board.
I'm sure the majority of shareholders with enough large shareholdings to sway a vote in favour of appointing this board will be well behind them.
The board must have the backing of the majority shareholders, why would you hold into short term power without the ability to carry on any future plans if you didn't know this, the other option is you are really poorly informed?
In my opinion the board should now be left to the consequences of their actions, accept responsibility, stop deflecting blame and get the club out of this situation. They wouldn't be there if they didn't think they could do this.
As K70 says guff and guff it is, wondering if the incoming guff is any better than the current guff who knows? Also without any resolution to when a AGM is, the incoming guff at that time may not want to take on a lame horse to run it's last race?
Sometimes you get what you wish for, supporters of the current board may get just that?
Question is does Grant as a shareholder know something we don't, his posts suggest there is support to improve things with a new board, the existing board must think they have the support or why would they be there?
No conspiracy theories please, the above is simply how it works as Grant says in a business owned by shareholders?
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Post by d7 on Sept 15, 2018 11:33:33 GMT
I've stayed out of this because I really don't understand all that business and shareholder cr@p.
However I fundamentally disagree that "(the board) wouldn't be there if they didn't think they could do this". Appointing Kerr as a rookie was poor judgement. Persevering with him was a mistake. Offering him another contract for this year was madness. Appointing Brogan on the 'dream ticket' beggars belief. We don't need any more evidence that they're not up to the job.
No idea how it will pan out but there's an apparent 'pig-headedness' about the current board who really don't seem to know - as demonstrated by their actions - that they have a clue how to run a football club.
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Post by bucky on Sept 15, 2018 13:55:53 GMT
Some will soon get their wishes when Brogan is sacked. The board itself will delay any AGM to stay in power that bit longer, then will seek share voting support from those who elect the board. I'm sure the majority of shareholders with enough large shareholdings to sway a vote in favour of appointing this board will be well behind them. The board must have the backing of the majority shareholders, why would you hold into short term power without the ability to carry on any future plans if you didn't know this, the other option is you are really poorly informed? /quote] Some 5-6 Directors are up for re-election/ confirmation so you may find the next AGM maybe delayed but I certainly wouldn't bank on any of these Directors being voted in. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 20:44:03 GMT
It's interesting to see how many people are becoming disinterested in the club. Others want to support a failing board and others don't trust anyone whos not a life long fan? Where ever you sit on this debate I would suggest you just sit back and watch a slow death. Some will soon get their wishes when Brogan is sacked. The board itself will delay any AGM to stay in power that bit longer, then will seek share voting support from those who elect the board. I'm sure the majority of shareholders with enough large shareholdings to sway a vote in favour of appointing this board will be well behind them. The board must have the backing of the majority shareholders, why would you hold into short term power without the ability to carry on any future plans if you didn't know this, the other option is you are really poorly informed? In my opinion the board should now be left to the consequences of their actions, accept responsibility, stop deflecting blame and get the club out of this situation. They wouldn't be there if they didn't think they could do this. As K70 says guff and guff it is, wondering if the incoming guff is any better than the current guff who knows? Also without any resolution to when a AGM is, the incoming guff at that time may not want to take on a lame horse to run it's last race? Sometimes you get what you wish for, supporters of the current board may get just that? Question is does Grant as a shareholder know something we don't, his posts suggest there is support to improve things with a new board, the existing board must think they have the support or why would they be there? No conspiracy theories please, the above is simply how it works as Grant says in a business owned by shareholders? It's a bit more complicated than that, Bingo (if I can call you that) The major decision that has us all agitated is appointment of the manager. That decision was made by panel of 4 - including the strong voices of the 'football' directors Unfortunately both have now sloped off! Seems to me they come and they go when it all gets too hard. Let's hope Rovergrant's so called Board in waiting are made of stronger stuff and not the return of any of them ! |
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Post by cliftonbill on Sept 16, 2018 21:11:17 GMT
Blondie, you raise an interesting point. Who exactly are the saviours waiting in the wings? Surely it couldn’t be two members of the four man panel who actually appointed JB in the first place, then decided to chuck it, preferring to trash the remaining BoD under cover of pseudonyms? As weerabwatt said a few days ago, wouldn’t it be nice if all those who care about ARFC’s predicament declared their intentions and identities before the season gets any older? Time to put up, if not necessarily shut up, chaps. Bill W.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 21:14:57 GMT
It's interesting to see how many people are becoming disinterested in the club. Others want to support a failing board and others don't trust anyone whos not a life long fan? Where ever you sit on this debate I would suggest you just sit back and watch a slow death. Some will soon get their wishes when Brogan is sacked. The board itself will delay any AGM to stay in power that bit longer, then will seek share voting support from those who elect the board. I'm sure the majority of shareholders with enough large shareholdings to sway a vote in favour of appointing this board will be well behind them. The board must have the backing of the majority shareholders, why would you hold into short term power without the ability to carry on any future plans if you didn't know this, the other option is you are really poorly informed? In my opinion the board should now be left to the consequences of their actions, accept responsibility, stop deflecting blame and get the club out of this situation. They wouldn't be there if they didn't think they could do this. As K70 says guff and guff it is, wondering if the incoming guff is any better than the current guff who knows? Also without any resolution to when a AGM is, the incoming guff at that time may not want to take on a lame horse to run it's last race? Sometimes you get what you wish for, supporters of the current board may get just that? Question is does Grant as a shareholder know something we don't, his posts suggest there is support to improve things with a new board, the existing board must think they have the support or why would they be there? No conspiracy theories please, the above is simply how it works as Grant says in a business owned by shareholders? It's a bit more complicated than that, Bingo (if I can call you that) The major decision that has us all agitated is appointment of the manager. That decision was made by panel of 4 - including the strong voices of the 'football' directors Unfortunately both have now sloped off! Seems to me they come and they go when it all gets too hard. Let's hope Rovergrant's so called Board in waiting are made of stronger stuff and not the return of any of them ! So the chairman was overuled by two guys who sloped off? Strong stuff as you say? Lol 😁 |
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Post by cliftonbill on Sept 16, 2018 21:20:50 GMT
I wasn’t suggesting that the Chairman was overruled, Bingo, just that he was one of four BoD members who decided that JB was the best available candidate (lol).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 21:25:43 GMT
Seems to be a common theme blaming people who are no longer at the club? My arithmetic tells me there was 9 on the board, correct me if I'm wrong, how did two effect the vote in a board decision making process??? 7 vs 2  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 21:36:32 GMT
I wasn’t suggesting that the Chairman was overruled, Bingo, just that he was one of four BoD members who decided that JB was the best available candidate (lol). So it was unanimous, 4 voting out a board of 9, why are the other 5 board members there if they have no say? Is that right ? If it was unanimous including the chairmans vote why was Blondie blaming the sloper offers??? Gets stranger by the day lol 😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 23:41:48 GMT
I've stayed out of this because I really don't understand all that business and shareholder cr@p. However I fundamentally disagree that "(the board) wouldn't be there if they didn't think they could do this". Appointing Kerr as a rookie was poor judgement. Persevering with him was a mistake. Offering him another contract for this year was madness. Appointing Brogan on the 'dream ticket' beggars belief. We don't need any more evidence that they're not up to the job. No idea how it will pan out but there's an apparent 'pig-headedness' about the current board who really don't seem to know - as demonstrated by their actions - that they have a clue how to run a football club. The BoD are there because they believe they are the right people to do the right job. To say otherwise is a nonsense. No-one volunteers to be the Captain of the Titanic. However even Edward J Smith thought he was doing the right thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 7:31:58 GMT
I've stayed out of this because I really don't understand all that business and shareholder cr@p. However I fundamentally disagree that "(the board) wouldn't be there if they didn't think they could do this". Appointing Kerr as a rookie was poor judgement. Persevering with him was a mistake. Offering him another contract for this year was madness. Appointing Brogan on the 'dream ticket' beggars belief. We don't need any more evidence that they're not up to the job. No idea how it will pan out but there's an apparent 'pig-headedness' about the current board who really don't seem to know - as demonstrated by their actions - that they have a clue how to run a football club. The BoD are there because they believe they are the right people to do the right job. To say otherwise is a nonsense. No-one volunteers to be the Captain of the Titanic. However even Edward J Smith thought he was doing the right thing. The board are there due to the shareholders at the last AGM being duped into thinking the chairman was standing down at the end of last season? Mr Brogan should do the same, say he will resign after the game on Saturday and just stay on!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 11:32:49 GMT
rovergrant, with all your vague clues, you imply that you're privy to insider information and thus have the expertise to run the club. lots of dark hints and intrigue, nothing (yet) of substance
let's return to your board-in-waiting. who are they? silicon valley titans with an undisclosed soft spot for the rovers?
it's time to put up or shut up. this isn't the x files. you can't operate in the shadows as the conduit between the official board and the secret board. if you've got ideas, let's hear them. if your secretive chums have ideas, and, better yet, money, brilliant - drag them out of the closet and arrange a meeting with the board, and your job is done. I'm sure one of your number is able to contact the club secretary!
but if you're just wanting to pretend it's a john le carre novel, honestly, act your age and get behind the team on and off the park.
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Post by tommysermanni on Sept 18, 2018 12:09:02 GMT
Nice sentiments guys about backing the team and Board but right now the team on and off the park are fast tracking us to football oblivion.
I will allow Grant to answer your other points.
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