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Post by tommysermanni on Aug 27, 2018 11:32:59 GMT
Thanks Grant. As you say I was only joking about Paul Martin but if we accept our current plight then we are also complicit in watching the possible demise of ARFC.
Hopefully we get a result soon and things pick up but I don't for one second buy the line that JB is all we have and no one else could come in and get this team competing.
How many times over the years have we seen a manager turn a teams season around with virtually the same group of players ?
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Post by Rovergrant on Aug 27, 2018 11:38:32 GMT
How many times over the years have we seen a manager turn a teams season around with virtually the same group of players ? That`s true, but can you honestly say that a group of players from Alloa`s Under 20 team, and guys from the lower Junior leagues can resolve the situation. In the past, as you say, there was always a backbone of players experienced in Scottish league football who just needed better organisation and motivation. We simply don`t have that this season.
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Post by tommysermanni on Aug 27, 2018 12:08:33 GMT
Looking at the reports of our games on Pie & Bovril its is worrying the amount of opposition fans on there that are saying this is the worst Rovers team they have seen. We need a miracle.
The QP highlights are on there.I think we got off lightly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 12:11:18 GMT
Looking at the reports of our games on Pie & Bovril its is worrying the amount of opposition fans on there that are saying this is the worst Rovers team they have seen. We need a miracle. The QP highlights are on there.I think we got off lightly. We don't need a miracle. We need some action. This clearly isn't working and leaving it to January I feel will be far too late. I bought I to this but I don't see it working, ever, unless changes are made now before it's too late.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 12:27:16 GMT
Thanks Grant. As you say I was only joking about Paul Martin but if we accept our current plight then we are also complicit in watching the possible demise of ARFC. Hopefully we get a result soon and things pick up but I don't for one second buy the line that JB is all we have and no one else could come in and get this team competing. How many times over the years have we seen a manager turn a teams season around with virtually the same group of players ? 2 words Ian Murray
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Post by Rovergrant on Aug 27, 2018 12:29:14 GMT
What concerns me is the total silence from the Chairman and BOD...even the manager has disappeared from his usual after match report slot with Ben or Danny. Even just a statement saying `Keep Calm and Carry On` (like my fridge magnet says - lol) Yes the 2017 AGM - remember the accounts were to year ending 30 th June 2017 - should have been held before the end of the year but were `held over` until January 2018. Given the current crisis should an EGM be called ?
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Post by Rovergrant on Aug 27, 2018 12:30:37 GMT
I believe Murray is contracted to a Swedish club as assistant manager for the next six months.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 12:56:16 GMT
Spoke for a few seconds with Ronnie after Q.P. game. Didn't go into much detail as there was a few people close by, but it seems that there is currently little scope for bringing in addition playing resources of a level that is going to improve the team. The addition late last week of a number of youth team players to the senior pool seems to emphasise that in graphic detail.
I am not one of the group that believes there is absolutely no hope and that none of the players currently signed are capable of forming a decent team. I do believe that there is a hardcore who, supplemented by 2/3/4 experienced senior players will help them make a fist of the battle for league survival that lies ahead of them.
With that in mind, does the BOD have members who are going to put their money forward to enable the manager to widen his search (JB should by now realise that the signing policy of bring ex Junior players and youths in is not working).
There are issues with this;
1) Would anybody trust JB's judgement given what we have seen so far?
2) There is only 4 days before the signing window closes
3) Is there anybody within the club, but outwith the current backroom staff that has any knowledge of the wider football environment, who has the credibility to identify potential signings. As the current BOD appointed JB and presumably asked for detailed plans of his intentions, I have my doubts about that!
I could go on and on about my thoughts and worries over the past 18 months or so, but I don't want to get personal as I know that all the people currently involved at BOD level have the best of intentions and are decent people. But the whole thing is not working. Unless there are people on the BOD who are going to step up to the plate and change the downward spiral that the club is obviously going in, they should have a long hard look at themselves, collectively and individually.
A major question hangs over the departure of ex-Directors, Hamilton and Downs, two men with good backgrounds and obvious qualities that could have assisted the club. In my very short involvement with each of them (post match in the Boardroom), both seemed enthusiastic and very business like. It is very strange that both, who apparently had no direct connection with each other, walked away at different times after very short tenure. Why did this happen? Did they see the writing on the wall? Were there other issues that pee'd them off and they decided sod this?
N.B. I have no previous links to Hamilton and Downs, but I did have a good gut feeling about their suitability for a place on the BOD, and their capacity to introduce others with good qualities.
Robert Watt
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Post by Rovergrant on Aug 27, 2018 13:10:03 GMT
Excellent post Mr Watt!!!!
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Post by tommysermanni on Aug 27, 2018 13:22:08 GMT
Great post Robert. The answer question No.3 would probably be yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 14:14:35 GMT
Fantastic analysis Robert. I too agree with the 3 experienced players required and that should see us through until next season. This is ultimately in the decision making process of the Board, hope they agree and make the right one.
On the subject of finances, its the Board's responsibility to generate all revenue streams to ensure there are enough finances. Austerity may have been the necessary action but not to the detriment of the club.Speculate to accumulate but wisely not irresponsibly.
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Post by Nanook on Aug 31, 2018 20:02:50 GMT
A sense of perspective is required.
The club is run by volunteers It has to be, the club sent out shareholders request for loans or donations just ahead of the draw against Celtic in the Cup, the Cup money bought the club time, otherwise the club would have struggled to make the end of season. Rovers are still in debt, that loan will be with us for a long time yet.
Yesterday, went to the Thursday Club. For those who don't know the Thursday Club is when volunteer supporters and members of the BoD do whatever is required.
I arrived just after 10am, there were already folk hard at work. Counting me, there were 6 supporter volunteers, and 5 members of the BoD. When I left at 3.30pm, 4 BoD members and two of the supporter volunteers were still there. That was 3.30pm, volunteers were still there.
The jobs I was involved in included taking down advertising posters of folk who had not paid, helping check the nets, dealing with bins, and cleaning a toilet, it was not all glamour!
My main point is that we are lucky to have the members of the Board that we do have. Why is there such concern about people who come in, realise that there is a lot of hours and hard work involved, and that it is unpaid. They come, they see, they leave. Good, I say.
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Post by Rovergrant on Aug 31, 2018 20:14:04 GMT
There is more to running a business than pottering about with a brush n shovel...as welcome as that is. Maybe someone from the BOD should have been chasing up the non-payers and finding out why the failed to pay. The tasks you describe are not jobs for members of a BOD - they are there to run the business,keep the books up to date (as the auditors found last year that was not the case) seek out sponsorship, investment, pay bills, make sure licences are up to date (did you know the Elgin game almost did not go ahead) etc, etc - if they have time after that then fair enough. Probably sums up our current BOD - well meaning amatuers.
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Post by Prof on Aug 31, 2018 20:47:32 GMT
A sense of perspective is required. The club is run by volunteers It has to be, the club sent out shareholders request for loans or donations just ahead of the draw against Celtic in the Cup, the Cup money bought the club time, otherwise the club would have struggled to make the end of season. Rovers are still in debt, that loan will be with us for a long time yet. Yesterday, went to the Thursday Club. For those who don't know the Thursday Club is when volunteer supporters and members of the BoD do whatever is required. I arrived just after 10am, there were already folk hard at work. Counting me, there were 6 supporter volunteers, and 5 members of the BoD. When I left at 3.30pm, 4 BoD members and two of the supporter volunteers were still there. That was 3.30pm, volunteers were still there. The jobs I was involved in included taking down advertising posters of folk who had not paid, helping check the nets, dealing with bins, and cleaning a toilet, it was not all glamour! My main point is that we are lucky to have the members of the Board that we do have. Why is there such concern about people who come in, realise that there is a lot of hours and hard work involved, and that it is unpaid. They come, they see, they leave. Good, I say. Brilliant post Brian. A wee bit of positive stuff for a while
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 20:50:16 GMT
A sense of perspective is required. The club is run by volunteers It has to be, the club sent out shareholders request for loans or donations just ahead of the draw against Celtic in the Cup, the Cup money bought the club time, otherwise the club would have struggled to make the end of season. Rovers are still in debt, that loan will be with us for a long time yet. Yesterday, went to the Thursday Club. For those who don't know the Thursday Club is when volunteer supporters and members of the BoD do whatever is required. I arrived just after 10am, there were already folk hard at work. Counting me, there were 6 supporter volunteers, and 5 members of the BoD. When I left at 3.30pm, 4 BoD members and two of the supporter volunteers were still there. That was 3.30pm, volunteers were still there. The jobs I was involved in included taking down advertising posters of folk who had not paid, helping check the nets, dealing with bins, and cleaning a toilet, it was not all glamour! My main point is that we are lucky to have the members of the Board that we do have. Why is there such concern about people who come in, realise that there is a lot of hours and hard work involved, and that it is unpaid. They come, they see, they leave. Good, I say. All forms an important part of the Club and Community, but football is a business more now than ever and needs to be run like a business. Respect to all the volunteers a valuable part of the club, but if you get the rest wrong there will be no facilities to go to.
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